AJs, weird pf action and I snapcall off my stack

AJs, weird pf action and I snapcall off my stack

1/2 at an American Legion hall. $100 min, no max buy-in that I've ever seen.

Hero has around $300 to start this hand and I literally just won the last hand with quads. The player that I beat out of that hand missed his draw and folded rather than pay his last $40-some. But instead of rebuying, he's put $20 to straddle the button and basically announced that the rest of it is going in. The big blind also has about $40 left, and has lol-called the $20 straddle rather than shove. (Yes, I love this room.)

I raise A️ J️ UTG to $45. The player on my immediate left calls. I've never played with him, but the regs know him. He bought in relatively short for this table and doubled through with a hand that played itself. Hasn't done anything noteworthy, but now he covers me. The rest of the table folds and the shorties ship in their baby-dick stacks.

Flop (~$170, 4 players, 2 all-in)

J️ 3️ 2

Hero bets $85, Villain shoves, Hero snapcalls.

Thoughts on all streets?

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15 January 2025 at 04:26 AM
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Werid one, but pre seems fine. I think we could have some min raise/calls to 300 jam, some min raise/folds, and some open jams. This one is close between min raise/call and min-raise jam depending on who jams.

Postflop we have TPTK with the NFD betting into a basically dry side pot, plus out of position. My default here is to bet small, 1/4 or 1/3 pot size. Still never folding the flop of course.


so you lost to 23o?


Definitely bet less on the flop. Dry side pot and you don't really want the other guy to fold (unless he has you beat, in which case he is never folding anyway).


I think I would just shove pre. You are basically playing a $20/$40 game with 7.5 big blinds.

AP you got the dream flop and if you lose it's just a cooler.


Deuces never loses?

I dunno. It all seems fine to me. With the pre flop action it's bordering on becoming BINGO, but we were given a good starting hand and an above average flop. Nothing to do but get it in.


I really dislike the $45 pre -- zero point in it. Make a real raise, please. Go to ~$80. You are already up against two random hands -- get everyone else out.

Flop is a no brainer.


Yeah pre makes no sense. With the small raise you are offering a decent price to call, knowing those short stacks can't reraise
Another option is to limp and reraise the inevitable shove from the blinds, capture dead money of limpers who aren't paying attention.


I agree with raising more pre, we're almost begging the pot to go 4 ways by minraising.

I would bet less otf with our hand and equity. I'm not saying I would fold if raised but if we bet less and someone jammed, it would leave more room for us to fold if the player was tight or nitty rather than having to call it off where we would likely have to hit the flush to win vs 2pair+.


I think the only mistake here was the min-raise pre. After raising so small pre, I'd rather bet about this size on this flop w/ hopes of gii. A tight/nitty player and/or a reg should never have two pair here. We are really only worried about 22/33. I guess if H is tight, V could have QQ, but so unlikely for someone the regs know -- but he did buy in short. Who knows, maybe he was trying to trap w/ AA/KK, but again unlikely with so much dead money in there already knowing the shorties are rarely folding -- why not isolate the min-raise w/ AA/KK?


Preflop seems terrible if BTN has announced he's reopening the action when it gets to him with any2. Like we are heavily incentivized to "limp" AA/KK here, and normal raises are almost always weaker but playable hands IME.

Flop is an obvious range check. After the raise we aren't ever folding, so *shrugs*.


fwiw unless we know the straddler well enough to believe him about getting it in pre, I've seen countless times player announce things like that only to change their mind once they look at their cards so buyer beware (not that it would be a bad thing if we limped and it went 6 ways pre with AJs).


The straddler put in $20 and had $20 left -- I highly doubt he's folding any cards -- he probably didn't look 😉

Not sure I like the limp/raise AA/KK, but I guess it's an option. Still raising AJs to ~$80, though. Nobody is thinking, oh, he raised and would have limped/raise KK/AA, so he must have worse, so I call regardless 😉


I kno, it's not worth doing it here since he has no money but if he was deeper we should still take those statements with a grain of salt.


by illiterat k

Flop is an obvious range check.

Can't be that obvious, as you're the only one who's said it. Is my range that weak on this flop?


by marchron k

Can't be that obvious, as you're the only one who's said it. Is my range that weak on this flop?

Yeh, Jx3y2y when you raised UTG ... you have 3 combos of JJ and in this case maybe 5 combos of JsXs, everything else is at best one pair or maybe overcards with a flush draw.

Top 10% of hands is flipping with 99, top 15% is slightly ahead of 77.
But that includes things like QJ/JT which isn't going to be fun to get to showdown if you bet flop and they call.

Lots of V's will have all 6 combos. of the worst sets, sometimes even all three combos. of bottom two (or more).

Also it's a bit weird with 2 all-ins and now HU in a dry side pot, in general I'd check more then anyway.

And to be fair that matters more the deeper you are where you'll want to protect your checking range. Also if V is never going to bluff it matters less.

Your hand is the nuts, but your range has a bunch of stuff like KhQh that might well be ahead of V and wants to see a turn but probably doesn't want to bet and be called OOP.


For 15bb, I just shove pre. Other option is raise to $60 I guess.

Postflop it's hard to make an obvious mistake unless you fold.


Limp jam pre. Normally I’d check this flop but with a dry side we’re not really inviting stabs. Just bet really small.


I’d call pre hoping the button raises and I can back jam.


Thanks all for the discussion. It's unlikely I'll ever see a situation quite like this again, but there are good takeaways. The limp/shove, in particular, is sexy.

by docvail k

Deuces never loses?

Treys always pays.


One thing to consider here is if we had KQo and we min raise and one of the $300 stacks jams we can probably let it go. AKs and AQs I probably call off, AJs it would be close and depends who jammed. AKo, AQo, KQ-KTs, lower-mid pocket pairs I would be more likely to open jam. Maybe even as low as AJo. AJs has decent playability postflop, so I might stick it in the min raise bucket.


by marchron k

Treys always pays.

Why has my player pool been keeping this gem from me?

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