Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom

yet basically all of the west is colder than average, and I never made it a mystery that I only care about my country and it's allies.

and I never claimed warming is positive for Indonesia either. I just don't internalize their costs into my utility function as no rational person would.

oh and empty space can be filled in due time, it's not like history ends in 50 years from now.

In future it would help a great deal if you prefaced every post with "I'm a total **** and don't care about anyone apart from me and my family, so..."

then we wouldn't need to read any more because your "world" view isn't even politics - it's just extreme selfishness and callousness dressed up as politics, with a chaser of extreme state violence against its own citizens.

lol I wrote "Europe saves tens of billions per year in heating costs thanks to warming".

that's my claim, any answer about what happens elsewhere don't change that.

you can try to go around that as much as you want because it's a huge problem for your narrative, but it doesn't change the truth.

and it's a problem for your narrative because a lot of people are as selfish as me if not more. they can be on board with expensive emission reductions if they believe that's very important for their own benefit or for their children. they wouldn't if they knew it was just about helping alien people in far away countries

There is just no point discussing with you.
You literally mentioned cold countries after my post about AC.
Ma doood stop pls

no you liar, I wrote EUROPE in the post BEFORE you answering with AC.

EUROPE.

Oh lol I just realised you think Europe = cold countries.
Ok / thread u win

what is this about, Malta and Cyprus losing? other than those two micro countries (which are around the planet average, and still don't lose from warming, but don't gain much either), the rest are colder than the planetary average, which is normal given they are all far above the tropics.

yes that includes Spain in aggregate and Italy in aggregate

You're the dishonest one.

All of Southern Europe (which I omitted from my list), which includes Portugal, Spain, Greece, Turkey plus Southern France and Southern Italy.

Also lol at Malta being around the average. Have you even been there?

Turkey isn't europe. Not that the UNDER ZERO CELSIUS TEMPERATURE in Ankara last night would make you right btw.

Portugal has more days needing heating than needing AC, same for Spain, same for Greece.

Oporto today is 13-5 (max-min, celsius). Lisbon is 16-5

Thessalonika is 9-2, Athens 12-7 (tomorrow 12-3).

Madrid 12-1, Barcelona 12-8 (tomorrow 12-3).

Southern Italy isn't tropical ffs. Potenza is 4-1 now. Naples 12-8. Ragusa 12-10.

Nice, France is 12-4 today. 4 celsius. That means you need to heat by TWENTY CELSIUS in hospital/healthcare settings, by 14-15 in houses not to freeze (more if you like to be comfortable without being heavily dressed at home).

You can't use the weather you remember (or have been told about) in the best seasons of tourist seaside areas, to think about those areas.

A lot of southern Italy, Spain, and Greece is hills/mountains/elevated plateaus. There isn't only the seaside. The only place in Italy where buildings don't come with heating automatically is Lampedusa. In Spain, it's canary islands.

No country in europe is even close to Rio de Janeiro where the coldest moment of the coldest day is usually double digit celsius.

Might be that in Crete you get close to that. And? people in Greece live mostly elsewhere.

WORLD average. Planetary average. Excluding unhabitated areas. Average of actual countries people live in (otherwise the mass of northern canada, groenland and antartica bring down the average).

In other words, more than half of the people in this planet live in countries that are as hot, or hotter, than Malta.

Yes i have been there and i also lived there for a bit, when i was evaluating changing fiscal residency to be able to play poker without being tortured by the italian taxman. Then italy passed decent laws about that and i didn't need to do that anymore (people still need to leave if they want to play live MTTs outside the EU though)

We aren't concerned abut global averages and idk why you keep bringing it up because it's irrelevant when all that matters is the total global energy demand from heating and cooling.

The climate for now hasn't been altered "quite dramatically" by human intervention yet. That might happen at some point down the line in some model/scenario if we keep emitting like now or more.

Hasn't happened yet, science isn't telling you it happened yet, i have no idea why you believe it already happened.

Are we arguing about material resources? yes, all the times, that's expected, rational and reasonable and it will be as long as material scarcity will exist.

There is no "we" btw. There are 8 billions different individuals, divided in different groups with different utility functions, values, preferences, there is no "we" that makes any decision.

One third (ONE THIRD) of current emissions are caused by China. One sixth by the USA.

Even if you had "twitter scientists" all on board for the most aggressive emission reduction you could think of for the USA, the politics for it ready to go with a POTUS and a congress fully on board, the political will among the populace to GO TO ZERO ASAP, spending many trillions per year for many years to achieve that, THE CLIMATE WOULD STILL CHANGE ALMOST THE SAME IF OTHERS DON'T DO THE SAME.

IS that part clear to you? it could even be the case that if the USA radically reduces emissions then others get more sloppy in their own reduction lol, after all, daddy USA is paying the price, why shouldn't we freeride on that?

There a we, you just not in it.
You can come in at anytime, we are just like that.

There must be a part of you knowing you are acting in bad faith here.