Rivered Full House vs 2 players
Live $400. Blinds are 3k/6k/6k and we have about 130k to start the hand. We just made the money. Active player opens EP to 13k, I call in LP, BB (seems like a good player) calls. (~50k)
Flop AJT two tone, checked around. Turn A, checked around again. River 6. No flush.
BB leads for 20k. EP calls. It's a strange spot because they both had been quiet up till now. How do you range these players and how much value do you go for? We have about 110k back and they both cover.
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What do you have?
Going with 66. A6s is possible but not a likely pre-flop call...
Why would AJ/AT check back the flop and turn after opening pre-flop? Also why would BB check the turn with a boat?
Worst case scenario is BB has A6 which there are 2 combos.
I'm not sure a raise is worth it but if I did I would probably just jam.
Whoops. I have 66.
Call, small raise, or jam?
I think with your stack size and at this particular stage of the tournament it's probably just a value jam. GG if either of them checked a better full house twice, I guess.
I think EP (OR) has KK/QQ/KJ types here, even if he checked an A on the flop he'd almost certainly then bet turn so can't imagine him having better than KK. The BB is tougher, he could easily check KQ or even boats on turn hoping for action but there's still so many strong value hands he can have here we beat (broadway or trip As). I don't know if jamming is the answer though if we're trying to extract value from say A9/A8 type hands. Those and KQ both might fold to a shove? I don't hate raising small here to get a sigh call from those hands and we could even consider folding if they jam over our raise since it would almost certainly be AT/AJ at that point.
Fwiw, I don't really like this flat pre off of ~22bb. Think we need to fold pre here or if you think opener is that active and out of line making it bottomish of jam range seems totally reasonable too. Results?
I don't know if jamming is the answer though if we're trying to extract value from say A9/A8 type hands. Those and KQ both might fold to a shove? I don't hate raising small here to get a sigh call from those hands and we could even consider folding if they jam over our raise since it would almost certainly be AT/AJ at that point.
Problem is, taking out our call of the 20k river bet, and if I did the math right, we're looking at a pot of 108k with 90k back in our stack to use for a raise. I don't think betting less than jam makes much sense with that stack size. I'd definitely have trouble raising another 30-40k and then folding to a jam if it came to that, myself.
I think EP (OR) has KK/QQ/KJ types here, even if he checked an A on the flop he'd almost certainly then bet turn so can't imagine him having better than KK. The BB is tougher, he could easily check KQ or even boats on turn hoping for action but there's still so many strong value hands he can have here we beat (broadway or trip As). I don't know if jamming is the answer though if we're trying to extract value from say A9/A8 type hands. Those and KQ both might fold to a shove? I don't hate rai
That was exactly my thinking with the raise - we make it almost impossible for trips/broadway to hero fold and potentially give the initial raiser odds to come along as well. So I went to 50k, BB snapped, initial raiser tank folded, and I was absolutely stunned to see AT. No idea why he didn't bet the turn, or jam river as he's beating four full houses. That's why I wanted to post on here...it was a strange hand.
Checked the flat pre on GTOw and it's approved, how come you don't like it? Too hard to navigate post as a human?
