Bellagio (Las Vegas, NV)

Did the Bellagio add an extra table section in the Sportsbook this year? If so, how many extra tables?

There were a few tables in the sportsbook I saw yesterday, didn't count.

Thanks.

There's a Thread that just popped up about a 'Chop or No Chop' mandate in this Room. Not sure if it's per Player or per table, but once it's established whether you Chop or Not it has to remain that for the duration of your session. GL

Where did thus thread pop up?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/108/l...

Hasn't this always been the case??

When I called today to get some clarification I didn't ask if this was 'new'. The Floor did state that it is written into the Room Rules.

I think the fuss with the Thread is that it's really not something that you would expect run into, with most Players being shocked or caught off guard at a minimum.

As with everything in poker, no matter the rule there will be opinions on both sides.

It does sort of fit in with another non-standard rule that I've heard was (or is) in play at Bellagio. I had been told, and seen in these forums, that if a Player verbalized "You're good" at Showdown then their hand was dead. This was to prevent a Player who was supposed to show first from tricking the other Players into showing their cards instead of mucking. (I probably should've asked about that as well). GL

Good to know, headed there to stay for the first time in a couple of weeks!

I’ve seen 40-80 stud 8 go somewhat frequently there recently on the bravo and today there is 50-100 stud 8 going. Has this been a regular thing? It seemed like it was going before wsop also. I love stud 8 and would be interested in potentially checking it out if it’s decent action.

i was here last week, and several times someone switched to not chopping when it fell down to 4 or 5 handed (and told me before hand), and i didnt see any ruling against that. Of course I didnt have any problem with it, i guess if i did maybe the floor wouldve forced them to stay the course.

To be fair though, the rule is likely intended against "I chop unless I got Aces" type of player rather than "I chop unless the game gets really short" one.

Chopping in a 4 handed game sounds awful. At some tables if players still chop then a lot more situations will come up when you have a chance to chop (because half the time you’re one of the blinds).

If players chop then they might not be playing much poker, and the casino wouldn’t collect much rake.

Not really much of a problem. The players who will chop 4 handed probably won’t play more than 3 hands before asking to break the table.

I went to the bellagio once but i didnt see anyone in bobbys room

Just checked Bravo and Bellagio is back to 15-30, 30-60 and five are on the list for 60-120 limit hold’em. I wonder why they made the change.

I thought it was better when the games were that way in the past. At the time they also officially had an 8-16 game, but I never saw it go. Then they switched to offering 10-20, 20-40, and 40-80, I guess hoping people would move up, but they actually moved down - the 15 players moved to 10, the 30 players moved to 20, and the 40 rarely went except for during the WSOP. Then the 10-20 started dying. As a last ditch effort they switched it to 9-18, but that didn't help for long, and it completely died.

I don't know much about how the games have been since Covid - only have been there once since then, and there was both a 20-40 and a 40-80 game going. Maybe someone more regular can say what has been happening lately.

Interesting. I’ve only played NL in the room the past couple of days but they definitely changed the limit games to 15-30, 30-60, etc.

I know I’ve seen Orleans run some 8-16 since the Bellagio 10-20 died but lately I don’t think it has run much.

I’ve also noticed the 40-80 hadn’t been running as much before the change.

No ****, the 30 game was a ton softer due to the years it was active.

They made the change because they're hoping it'll bring more limit games into the room. But in my opinion, and I've now talked in detail with Bellagio top poker management, it's a mistake.

The problem is that the proportionally larger small blind upsets the balance of luck and skill in the game. It causes the recreational players to play way too many hands out of the blinds when the pot has already been raised, speeds up the whole game, and the recreational players lose their money too fast. So even though there may be more games in the short run, I believe it'll damage the game in the long run.

It may be hard to believe that this small change may cause this, but, again in my opinion, you'll have less games a year from now than what they currently have. Also, this is a very slow time of year, and that's probably a contributor to why the $40-$80 game hasn't run as much.

How do you think this will speed up the games?

You get more calls of raises out of the blinds which creates bigger pots which means more raising on the flop and turns.