The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

This.

I would look at them with caution just like I look at someone with tattoos everywhere with caution.

I find it interesting your outraged at me but not Tien or Montreal for the same thoughts

Don't worry, he also thinks I am immoral, disgusting, revolting, shameful and a host of other very complementary words.

Let me ask the wife what she thinks about me! She might agree!

Luciom - please stop responding to me.

For everyone else, this is my semi-regular reminder at this point that Luciom is the only person on this forum on my ignore list. However unfortunately I can still see his endless replies to me when you quote them. I'm not sure why he keeps replying to me over and over when he knows he is on my ignore list, but either way if it seems weird that I don't respond now you know why.

Trans people are certainly a small minority, but that doesn't mean it is acceptable to engage in employment discrimination against them. I'm not asking you to care about "pronoun nonsense" or to agree with it, I'm saying it is wrong to discriminate against people for that.

I teach hundreds of students a semester. I always do a first day survey asking a bunch of math-related things but I also ask how people would like me to call them. Often this is just normal practical stuff like for instance a lot of chinese students will tell me a western name to use, but consequence of working with so many students is a non-trivial number will also let me know their pronouns. It would be wrong for me to discriminate against them for this - even if I disagreed or didn't care.

All three of you have said transphobic things. However the only one of the three who seemed to actively support employment discrimination was you. If they also believe it is correct to discriminate in this way then I equally condemn them.

Don't discriminate. You can hate on people on line if you wish, but don't discriminate. That is wrong.

don't pick people based on their characteristics which affect their attitude and behavior (like being a radical leftist), rather pick them how?????

because you there's care to discuss with me my opinion of what you write, as proven by the fact that... they answer me.

funny that you are asking for me and others to respect your discrimination of me while asking everyone else not to discriminate.

I've never done employment discrimination ever.

Follow the conversation. Lozen said he was all for employment discrimination. I condemned him for this. You got mad at me condemning him for this. Nobody said you did this.

Got it now?

Not true I said I understand why people don’t hire folks that list their pronouns all pronouns . People that list their pronouns are not a protected group .

Let’s be clear if I was interviewing you and you walked into my office and started Hi I’m Uke and my pronouns are He/Him we’re not off to a good start 😀

He doesn't understand the difference between being trans, which isn't (shouldn't) be a problem at all, with being a radical leftist trans, which is a huge negative for the employer (outside a few sectors where it is instead a positive) not because of "gender" rather because of leftism (which isn't a protected trait).

And ofc it applied to non trans people that force pronouns as well

This is 0% better. Firstly, here in BC, people are ALSO protected from employment discrimination on the basis of political belief. But perhaps more importantly, since trans people and non-binary people are in the group likely to be affected by your discrimination and so they still end up being discriminated again. Having to hide your status from your employer for fear of losing your job is morally wrong. It's just the same as a gay person who if they ever let it slip that they are gay you would fire them and if you came with a pathetic excuse like "i'm not firing them because they are gay, i'm firing them because they told me they are gay!" I think you would know that this evasion wasn't helpful.

What - precisely - would me letting you know how I want to be referred to, makes it a bad start? Does this affect how well I can swing a hammer?

This is the sad state of affairs for trans people where the mere act of letting people know that they are trans and how to refer to them that this will immediately lead some bigots to think the conversation is not off to a good start. Think how hard that would be for a young trans person trying to get a job in the trades with bosses like you, never knowing whether they can authentically be who they are without fear of reprisals such as this.

Don't you see how sad that is?

I know all my trades by name not by their pronouns . I have never referred to a trade by their pronoun . Its by their name or by the electrician or the framer. If I had a conversation with three trades and I said to the framer about the electrician that is standing there. I would say Paula will get you some power. If my framer than replies can she do it Thursday and than Paula says I prefer to referred to as Bob the Billy Goat I would refer to her as Bob the Billy Goat , If she breaks down in tears and cries that we used her wrong pronoun she needs some mental help

You shouldn't feel like you need to tell people you are trans, it's abnormal to consider that reasonable, nor you should think anyone should "refer to you" according to your preferences at all, the thought is horrifying and that's what is reasonable to discriminate against.

Not the trans -ness, rather the ideology that supports the thesis that people should be referred to according to their own preferences

In Ukes world were not allowed to offend someone . I agree if I hire someone that is Non Binary do I care ? Nope Would i know ? Nope

you might as well remove ALL the zest of life if you have to walk through some delusional Pollyanna land and not be able to 'offend' anyone.

Of course you do. Just like this:

It's great to refer to people by names, but EVERYONE uses pronouns all the time exactly like this, totally casually, without thinking about it, so that in a paragraph you don't say the person's name over and over and over again, you say it once and then use their pronouns afterwards.

But even if you were the one totally bizarre weirdo that somehow managed to avoid ever using a normal basic part of speech, that STILL wouldn't justify discriminating against a trans person because they told you their pronouns.

In this "bob the billy goat --> mental help" stupid examples that reveal more about your biases than present an argument, it is worth noting that YOU are the one making a massive deal over pronouns. You are the one who is all for discriminating against someone and denying them a job or thinking the conversation didn't start good for the mere fact they told you their pronouns. You're the snowflake here.

The absolute pearl clutching is incredible. Seems like the natives are restless.

Excuse me you started this with your outrage of a personal tweet . Here is reality if your trans adult on the job site and I refuse to use your pro noun which I would not get over it and make a decision do not work for that person or ignore it .

Here is another point if you get offended because I say to someone else she will take care of that for you and you prefer another pronoun shut the back door

where is the conservatives have no platform nonsense coming from. My friend keeps spouting this because I guess that's what he hears. So i just linked him the 50 page party platform. Over under if he reads a single page?

After some research I guess its just because they don't have a huge economic one. uke claims we have a good economy so he should be thrilled because that probably means status quo

Just to be clear , do you put real trans people into the same basket as those that just don’t want to be identify as a man or a woman or want to identified at the opposite of what their sex actually is ?

The question you've failed to condemn is whether it is wrong to engage in employment discrimination against someone who informs you of their pronouns. Stop trying to reframe it to them getting "offended". Like yes it is objectively disrespectful to refuse to use someone's pronouns - don't be an ******* - but that is still much less bad then refusing to hire them which goes into the category of employment discrimination.

Imagine you are a young trans or non-binary person. Imagine how shitty it would be if you lived in constant fear that if you let it slip that you were trans and had pronouns different than your employer might expect, that at best they would refuse to use those pronouns and at worst you would be fired on the spot.

Do you have no empathy for such a situation?