Top 2 vs 4x shove

Has he overbet bluffed before and did we see the hand?

If he thinks you are a straightforward player, this looks like a bluff that should get through almost always. but maybe thats what he's counting on to induce calls.

In terms of nutted hands, I guess he can have 55, all other sets are out. AJ presumably 3bets preflop. J9s maybe calls or maybe 3bets & I'd assume he folds J9o preflop unless he figures position + whale makes it profitable.

I fold here unless I've seen him take this line postflop and either often enough that I think he's FOS or he showed a bluff. But it seems close.

Crazy spot. There are tons of combo draws available here (any AXss for one) and your hand is way stronger than it looks. Hard to believe he would jam worse for value but I guess it’s possible. I would call.

Would have loved a 3bet pre-flop. Isolate the fish and get the BTN out of there.

You give a lengthy description of the whale, and then when he opens from MP you don't 3-bet with KQs from the CO, especially with a solid winning LAG next to act on the BTN???

Hulk sad.

World’s easiest 3bet pre? And why exactly did you check the turn, I'm curious.

Anyway, as played I'm calling.

By the way nothing you say about V convinces me he's "very capable". Are you sure about this?

You’re overthinking this, you have KQs ip vs a wide whale 3bet this all day!

LOL at thinking that collecting blinds and a raise with KQs is "tragic, " especially when the alternative is possibly going 3-ways with a very good LAG in position.

I 3bet this pre vs described whale. As played, I call. The only reason I check turn is to induce 😉

Also, get on the Asian guy's other side if you can.

Yeah, call.

And preflop was a mess.

Do not flat and invite him in. With his position, you wanna raise anything you want to play (3 bet, 4 bet, whatever, do not flat unless you are the button and he is the sb)

New question. Whats the weakest hand you call with here?

That's tough because we 3bet AK/AQ (and this hand, but here we are), and we shouldn't be here w/ KT or K5.

Maybe KJs, QJs (do we bet flop?).

Without reads I think the hand is likely marginal on either call/fold. Obviously one of them is printing, and V's action is almost certainly unbalanced spew, but it's difficult to know which one.

Plausible V decided that you have almost bare NFD and are never putting money in unless you hit the river, so charge max value now with QT+ or even worse.

Plausible that V sees you just call pre. and bet flop / check turn and decides you are folding range to this size.

The fact whale is behind V on the flop means he's more likely to just call TT/55, if he's thinking about it at all.

In general population doesn't overbet bluff anywhere near as much as they overbet nutted hands, and that extends to a lot of experienced players, so would lean heavily to fold.
The fact he's 3betting solver inspired ranges and can bluff post flop doesn't mean he has 4x bluffs much (unless you've seen him bluff 1.5x+ pot before, in which case snap call).

From an MDF type viewpoint I wonder why H checked turn, also if H has an idea of how high this is in range. Like TT/55 aren't different enough to take a different line, but what about any straights on the turn? Also do we just call AA/AK pre. to have worse "value" hands?
If all KQ take this line then not having a spade or heart is significant.

Would assume a first approximation is never having a calling range when V is opening Q8o/A6s for 13bb.

Next would be a std. low stakes range of small PP/Axs going for monster value when they hit.

Folding unless I have a really really solid read on V. With limited information there's too many things he has here straights 55's etc etc. I don't like risking 450$ when I am only invested for 45$ doesn't make sense you got me this time good for you and I'd show him my hand so he can try it again when I snap off an rip his stack.