AA on T42 board vs x/r
5/5
~$800 effective
BB: He has raised top pairs multiple times on similar boards.
HH: I raised from UTG, and he called from MP. The flop came A K 5. I c-bet, and he raised with AQ.
HH: I raised from MP, two players called, and he called from the BB. The flop was 9 7 5. I c-bet, and he raised with J9. He continued betting on the turn.
Hero(BU) A♦A♣ raise to $20, BB calls
Flop($45) T♦ 4♠ 2♠
x, Hero bets $20, BB raises to $80, Hero - ?
Usually, I call random x/r on such boards. But against this type of opponent, can I re-raise?
And how else should I adapt my play against such an opponent? Should I narrow my preflop range? C-bet less?
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Interesting spot given the hand histories. Any other reads on the villain? Is he a total fish? Or someone with some understanding of the game?
If villain is a bad reg who is "raising top pair to see where he's at", my guess is that he folds to a lot of 3bets. If he rarely check-raises draws, you end up in a spot where your raise never really gets called by a worse hand.
If villain is a fish who is just going to pile money in with top pair, then have at it.
My adjustment would vary with my reads. Against the first player type, I would start bet-3betting more liberally with bluffs. Against the second player type, I would start bet-3betting more liberally with value. I think I would also start c-betting more polar against both players -- you don't want to cbet a bad top pair or medium-strength draw, but it can be really good to cbet with air or a weak draw, as you can always fold versus xr and always continue bluffing versus xc.
I call and use my position.
I am folding T or spade turns if he barrels.
Otherwise I am mostly calling down or value betting if he slows down.
Call and play turns.
Flatting or 3B'ing flop decision is dependent on the sizing he typically takes on later streets when he raises flop. If he goes geometric, no reason to raise. If he uses smaller sizings, maybe we 3B.
Since we're in position here, I think our default would be to flat call, and let him continue to barrel, or bet ourselves if he checks.
How to adjust depends on how he reacts when he raises and gets 3B. If he tends to over-fold, we can widen our range and plan to 3B-bluff him when we have a nut advantage post flop. We just out-play him. If he hangs on with hands that might be second best, we should tighten up and just out-hand him.
Obviously tightening up and playing back with value is the lower variance route. But I'm all for punishing jackwagons who play this way, and don't mind the variance if we have a skill edge.
That's a good point, Doc. I think in a vacuum re-raising his weak range isn't a bad idea. That's what solver suggests. However, this guy might use different bet sizings later on that I can exploit. I forgot to add a note on that second HH: he bet 1/2 on the turn with J9. This is the type of guy who slows down on later streets and bets huge with the nuts.
what is the biggest size you call flop with?
Definitely calling vs. this guy. Don't let him fold to a raise.
That's a good point, Doc. I think in a vacuum re-raising his weak range isn't a bad idea. That's what solver suggests. However, this guy might use different bet sizings later on that I can exploit. I forgot to add a note on that second HH: he bet 1/2 on the turn with J9. This is the type of guy who slows down on later streets and bets huge with the nuts.
That bet size may or may not be a tell, depending on the turn card. If he's a studied player, he might size down to recap you when you flat call on a nut changing card, with a plan to fold if you raise.
Not a criticism. I like where your head is at. But the read needs developed with more detailed thoughts about the history with V.
Against the population, I'd never 3B the flop, with value or a bluff. Against this guy, I may or may not. It depends on how he plays turns and rivers on various types of run outs, and how he reacts to being 3B.
Does he raise top pair on the flop because he's a spew-fish who can't get away from top pair? Or is he a thinking player who is capable of raising with thin value to put pressure on his opponents, but will over-fold if they play back at him? Does he also raise with 2P/sets, or does he tend to trap with stronger value? Does he get in here with 53s and take this line?
Can't really advise you what to do on the flop without some idea of who this cat is and how he rolls.
Seems fine as played I would proceed with caution if a 10, 9, J or spade hits otherwise on the turn if no scare cards good time to either jam or make it very pricey to continue.
He probably has a set, top pair, or a flush draw. 3-betting the flop seems bad against that range. Call and reevaluate on the turn.
Slam dunk reraise, it isn’t particularly deep and we unblock spades, it would only be tempting to flat w/AsAx but I think this is an overall gii spot w/overpairs & AT
I just don't know if he is gii with AT/KT/JJ, but he is gii with a set. So not sure we should be trying to play for stacks.
Unless we fear V has draws, why not just call IP all the way till the rvr?
Action likely to die by river if he just has tp
Just pile in chips while u can vs an assumed fish like this while the ev of doing so >> flatting, sometimes you lose and have to reload omgz
Minclick or 2.5x to setup turn jam if u fear he’ll fold to a bigger sizing otf…
Action likely to die by river if he just has tp
Just pile in chips while u can vs an assumed fish like this while the ev of doing so >> flatting, sometimes you lose and have to reload omgz
Minclick or 2.5x to setup turn jam if u fear he'll fold to a bigger sizing otf.
It's not clear the EV of 3B'ing flop is higher than the EV of flatting. He should fold everything worse to our 3B. He's likely to continue betting the turn if we flat call. We're IP, and not insanely deep, such that it will be hard to get stacks in, even if V barrels.
If we flat, the pot will be $205 with $700 remaining. Depending on what sort of sizing he takes when he barrels turn, we might be able to get stacks in there and then. If not, we can still raise turn, and jam river. If he checks turn, we can still put in a PSB, setting up a river jam for less than a PSB, assuming he doesn't go for a turn x/r and jam himself.
It's not clear the EV of 3B'ing flop is higher than the EV of flatting. He should fold everything worse to our 3B. He's likely to continue betting the turn if we flat call. We're IP, and not insanely deep, such that it will be hard to get stacks in, even if V barrels. If we flat, the pot will be $205 with $700 remaining. Depending on what sort of sizing he takes when he barrels
Yeah going to disagree with the jist of this, but it’s fine to keep flatting nonset monsters vs classic fish that habitually raise tp; I play differently esp at this sort of depth
saying that he should fold worse to a 3b isn’t reality tho esp a minclick
