[CoinPoker] - Ex-Official - Bringing the Game Back to Players

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but what was the rationale behind 7 handed tables?

The 4 handed tables are nice but don't run that often, and 7 handed 2 blind poker is pretty lame (even with the ante).

The common view is it is to dick skilled players over.

If a typical "good" table is one bad player and the other players trying to profit off that one bad player, then at commonly offered 6 handed tables you have 5 players splitting that 1 bad players loss. But with these bullcrap 7 handed tables, that GG Poker is now also using, you are now left with 6 players splitting that 1 bad players loss. You as a winning player get less of a share of the bad player at 7 handed.

This explanation doesn't really make sense. The ratio of good/bad players doesn't depend on table size. If exactly 1/6 players are fish, a 6 handed table will have an average of 1 fish, and a 7 handed table will have an average of 1.17 fish. And if the 7 handed tables are meant to screw over skilled players, what are the 4 handed tables for? By the same logic, it should benefit them since now only 3 players are splitting the fish's loss.

The Coin Poker switch from 6 handed to 7 handed was around April, 2023. I have no clue when these 4 handed tables began, but it didn't have to be at the same time or for the same reason, which you seem to incorrectly be assuming.

4 handed tables are better for skilled players as you share the bad player with less players. Just as taken to the extreme, heads up tables are best for skilled players as you get the bad player to yourself. Over a decade ago now, in the Pokerstars thread, Pokerstars Steve or whoever it was talked about internal data showing how the fish get destroyed extremely fast as the number of players at the table decreases. Many sites have thought to get rid of heads up tables and some have. From the poker sites point of view, it might be seen as a protect the fish so their money lasts longer and get raked more often. But from from a player point it is what I said. You thinking this makes no sense with your fractional fantasy is your own issue. Even Jnandez, a sponsored Coin player, has discussed the players per fish point more than once in a recent YouTube videos if anyone wants to go find it and timestamp it.

Edit time expired, but I haven't seen any poker tables with 7.17 seats. If you were to choose between a poker site with 6 handed tables or a poker site with 7 handed tables, then you would be better off at the 6 handed table poker site. And damn I haven't even talked about rake much here, but I don't think anyone is mistaking Coin Poker for a low rake site, which makes the above points even more important in players per fish.

so what's going on with the CHP token? wasn't a new launch coin supposed to happen at the beginning of this year?

Not only this but I am certain the wrong amount of CHP is being paid weekly as rb, it seems to be way less than before. Because it’s so complicated it’s very hard to work out what is correct, I don’t have the time to bother with this but I am certain there is less CHP being paid.

Again for the 100th time, wtf is the point in CHP or another dumb token, pay rb in USDT do you realise how much better the games will be? A random fish (has been me many a time zeroing my acct too) who deposits 1k USDT, plays through it in mtt entries in a Sunday and the odd cash game dabbling and is left busto on a Sunday night, save for some chp on a Monday, which he can’t sue until he deposits again, if this few hundred $ was paid in usdt, he plays more to spin it up, and more games run, more rake generated and rinse repeat. Stop being short sighted and change the rb system.

This is obvious stuff.

I was hoping the rep would answer too.

This isn't how it works though. If a rec sits, the table fills with pros, whether its 4, 6, 7 or 10 handed.

More seats is also generally worse for the rec since they're going to play high vpip.

I'd agree with the point about 4 handed tables except they're massive ante and no one seems to want to play them.

I was given January as an estimated date and posted that here yes, unfortunately the devs are running into delays as a small site with a limited dev team for a new token launch, we are currently hiring more staff asap. I will keep chasing it up as much as I can as well.

Will ask this too. A bit above my paygrade but would assume they've decided it's better for the site's liquidity / ecology or is related to revenue, ultimately a poker site does have to make revenue to cover operating costs.

Similar to the below - lots of crypto betting sites have tokens as a way to make revenue and cover operating costs, this was mentioned by other posters here when you asked before @dappadan777, you weren't ignored. It's not much different to sites that choose to have a complicated VIP program instead of flat rakeback. There aren't many places where you can outperform 31.35% effective rakeback after fees, and while our system may annoy some players, others don't mind it. It is possible to also profit from a token ICO as a holder, CHP had a bull cycle from 2021 to 2023

appreciate it. for some reason the staff in discord wants to completely ignore my question

Almost everyone itt and on Reddit hate the rb system (not the 31%, but the CHP element). All I’m saying is clearly the games would be better if it paid in usdt for the reasons I outlined. If you have to keep it as a token and there’s nothing that can be done then I’ll just stfu but logically USDT makes much more sense, anyone can agree with that.

Reply from the higher ups:

'CoinPoker initially adopted 7-handed to mitigate to table balancing in h4h at the bubble and pay jumps. It was extended across to ring games to retain commonality across our offerings, as a unique identifier for CoinPoker and as we already had 4 handed it could be a bigger contrast in players per table on our full ring and short handed tables. An additional benefit was that at the time Solvers and sims were not generally set up for 7 handed. We appreciate that the main negatives of offering 7 handed are most players are used to 6 max. This will be a consideration when we conduct a wholesale review of our product offerings this quarter.'

They're not married to any particular offering and if the number of tables could be increased by switching from 7 to 6 it would of course be good for everyone. Will keep bringing it up - Mario was keen on 6-max too when he joined as an ambassador but things at CoinPoker do unfortunately take a while to be implemented with the amount of staff we have, until we improve on that.

Thanks for the reply. I would say either 2 blind 6m (with ante) or 3 blind 7m is ideal - the 4 handed is nice but it seems recs don't like it. I can sit empty 4m and 7m and almost always the 7m fills first.

love the site

one thing: its really hard to see the cards in 5c.... does any1 else find this to be the case?

Recs get destroyed at 4m. Thats why.

Yeah the card size should be bigger

I like the 7max with antes personally. It's rare a game only has one fish and 6 regs anyway

hi. Any advices on how to get CHP at better rate? Buying from the client is really shitty thing. Although the client said its 5% fee, its nearly 14% now. Less liquidity on swap site...33% sounds good rakeback but the value goes down like half of that because of how difficult to get CHP at good rate.

i know now there were many reasons for the 7m tables, but i think oen that really doesnt make any sense anymore is to have 7max so that it isnt too similar to the 4max. there are no 4max games running, so the popular 6max game shouldnt be influenced at all by a game that doesnt run.

I would like to see 6max implemented instead. 4max will prob have about the same action anyway.

but i really just want bigger plo5 cards =)

We have a fixed price now set at 0.053651 USDT and a fixed 5% fee in the client regardless of liquidity on DEXes

Tested that, 100/0.053651*0.95 = 1770.70

Okay then " 0.053651 USDT = 1 CHP" also applies to when deducting a half of rake from CHP wallet? Either way, you guys are crypto based poker site right? This situation is a shame, its like "hey guys we are an advanced crypto based poker site!!! But our coin is having less liquidity on dex/cex so pls buy from us with 5%fee" lol NO offense but this shitty part is hurting this site.

I hate this stuff to. I pay for it but I cant see whats he has… Every pokersites shows this muck on replayer but on CP you cant see. I dont understand why… I pay for it.

Adding the 4 colour deck option for 5 Card PLO is in the pipeline with devs. Passed on feedback about the actual size of the cards of well

The plan is to change this in an upcoming client update, to be the same as other poker sites - and replace CHP @sonnychiba2

Unfortunately don't have an exact timeframe, but this quarter a complete review of our product offerings is in the works

It’s like that in live poker in cash game.