TT's OOP on Ace high flop.
2/3 NL 8 handed. I am 500 effective. The button is a tight passive reg. I haven't played much with him.
I open to 10 UTG with TdTc, only the button calls.
(20 in pot) 5dAd8c...How should we proceed on this board?
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I'd bet 1/2 pot, since Villain has a lot of hands with numerous outs against TT.
Bet to deny equity. In theory can bet less than half pot but psychologically less than 10 may not do it.
Connected board favouring your range bet two thirds with any hand you want to bet with. Ie use one size. TT is a bet.
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Connected board favouring your range bet two thirds with any hand you want to bet with. Ie use one size. TT is a bet.
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Idk. 2/3 seems :
- overambitious for value targets
- more expensive value-own vs Ax
- unnecessarily large for equity denial/protection
Small bet (1/4 or 1/3) or check. We use smaller size more vs a caller not in the bb.
Bet $10 to $15 or check. If he calls, I basically shut down unless I spike a T.
If I check and he checks back, I'll bet $10 to $15 on most turns.
FWIW, I'm never betting less than $10 here. I can't believe anyone would be $5. I guess if V is that tight, maybe?
I limp in but that's my style.
The smaller our pair the more it needs protection against overs when ahead, so the more I'd lean to betting small. The bigger our pair the less it needs protecting against overs when ahead, so the more I'd check/evaluate. So I'd probably bet like $7 and see what happens.
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I hate tens. And I hate these spots. But at least you're not OOP to some crusher. I think you just check/eval plan to check call one street and then shutdown but it's very player dependent. I have some mega whales in my game where this is almost a stack-off.
I hope the people saying bet small are not planning to blast off a big bet here with AK because you should only have one bet size on the flop. I don't think we want to bet so small with ak and aq and A5 with a straight and flush draw out. So we should be betting 2 thirds pot here. We can bet this size with our 2p plus, strong draws ax etc too so we can't be exploited just because we also have 10s. This is well covered in Acevedo s book.
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Frequently checking OOP in a SRP is fine - even an Ace high board - and I'd be doing a lot of checking here, particularly against a tight-passive player who, button vs UTG, can have a load of JJ+ and all the big Aces including AK, not to mention all the suited Aces.
I hope the people saying bet small are not planning to blast off a big bet here with AK because you should only have one bet size on the flop.
Why would anyone want to blast-off with TP/TK on this board?
Also, you don't need to limit yourself to the same size flop bet on every board, as long as your bets aren't giving away obvious sizing tells.
Betting small is fine. When pots are this size betting a single red chip or a single red + two whites draws too much attention, so I probably just put in two reds if betting. Against a "tight passive" (TP), if you're confident with that description, I might just x give up/get to showdown, since as a passive they're not stabbing with worse. If you've identified this TP as someone who likes 56-89s etc as well as Ax, broadways and pocket-pairs, I definitely prefer a bet for value (e.g. not necessarily a range bet), especially as it's a two-tone board.
Why would anyone want to blast-off with TP/TK on this board
Also, you don't need to limit yourself to the same size flop bet on every board, as long as your bets aren't giving away obvious sizing tells.
You want to blast with AK because you can get called by worse and to charge draws and because you have a lot of high equity bluffs so a larger bet size allows a higher bluffing frequency ( x/ (2x +1) being your bluff frequency where X is the percent of pot you are betting). The board is draw heavy and favoured your range so you want to bet large and often. It s v hard for a human to have multiple bet sizes on a given board without giving away a sizing tell and the extra EV of having multiple sizes is minimal, except on the river. So you should use one size.
All in acavedos excellent book.
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You want to blast with AK because you can get called by worse and to charge draws and because you have a lot of high equity bluffs so a larger bet size allows a higher bluffing frequency ( x/ (2x +1) being your bluff frequency where X is the percent of pot you are betting). The board is draw heavy and favoured your range so you want to bet large and often. It s v hard for a human to have multiple bet sizes on a given board without giving away a sizing tell and the extra EV of having multiple siz
Aside from the flop not really being "draw heavy, " overbetting HU is more of a turn concept, where your opponent's range is more defined and hopefully capped. By overbetting this A-high flop, you're allowing him to fold all of his marginal crap and proceed to the turn with a much stronger range. In a nutshell, since we should have approx. 2 flop bluffs for every value bet, routinely overbetting the flop means we're betting too much in a situation where there are still two cards to come.
Some flops are just more suited for range-checking or betting small. These are not sizing tells.
Think I just check and see if V wants to stab at it. Good chance his bet size will be an indication of his hand strength. Alternatively, a 1/2 pot c-bet with a plan to fold to a raise seems fine.
A tight passive V shouldn't have very many 2P or pair + draw combos here. With the Td in our hand, we can check-call diamond turns.
I'm always betting here, esp vs a tight-passive and on a FD flop. At least 10.
Aside from the flop not really being "draw heavy, " overbetting HU is more of a turn concept, where your opponent's range is more defined and hopefully capped. By overbetting this A-high flop, you're allowing him to fold all of his marginal crap and proceed to the turn with a much stronger range. In a nutshell, since we should have approx. 2 flop bluffs for every value bet, routinely overbetting the flop means we're betting too much in a situation where there are still two cards to come.
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I said bet two thirds not sure where you got overbet from? Flop is two tone with a straight draw, that's reasonably draw heavy. Two thirds is better than one third here.
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I am betting 1/2 PSB because:
• vs this player type we can get QQ, JJ to fold some of the time.
• we get over cards to fold or make a mistake by calling.
• vs Ax we are likely to go check check on the turn giving us a free card on the river.
^Isn't 2/3 the standard bet to make it poorer pot odds for ppl drawing?
That being said, I and I think some ppl just bet 1/2 to control the pot and ppl are gonna draw anyway.