Trying to plug leaks. River Jam.

Snapfold preflop. Terrible punt on river; what better hands fold and worse hands call?

There are tons of threads on here about how terrible hands like 86s are at 1-3.

RFI means raise first in. What you did is called an iso.

I would check back flop though it’s probably close. River is a clear call when he pots.

No, he isolated a call!

Flop id bet if I had the bdfd but suits aren't given. Otherwise agree check

River is it so obvious? Can't he raise and get called by top pair? The are now combos of top pair than trips possible

River might be a raise all in as played

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Try not to give results in the post as now everyone is biased to telling you to not raise

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Next time don't post Villain's hand as it can bias responses.

If the blinds are tight I can ~kinda get behind a raise after just 1 limp preflop (2+ limpers or loose blinds I'm just happily overlimping). Unless blinds are incredibly active, I would never consider folding preflop in a typical game (playing the Button with anything remotely playable is fine, imo)... although if we're going to punt postflop (which we did) then obviously folding is best.

I'm fine with a cbet as good chance our hand is good and needs protection from random overs. I wouldn't go more than 1/2 PSB of $10 (and I'll often go out even slightly less).

I'm also checking back the turn on this fairly drawless board (apart from perhaps stuff like JT/J9/T9, all of which actually got there on the turn).

Next time post pot size on each street. Looks like he's bombing $50 into $50. Think I would just call the river as the only hand we're really targetting is Q9; meanwhile JT/44 and even 99 is a real possibility and we beat no 8, so when our shove gets called we're unlikely to be ahead.

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Thanks everyone.
Yes it was a pot sized bet on the river.
In game I was targeting single pair holdings (two pair) with our three 8s.

I agree with the consensus of River should just be a call. What hands would my opponent call a raise with? He did tank with his three 8s and honestly I don’t blame him. It’s not an easy call facing that action with three 8s. I’m all for going for thin value. But obviously you’re just increasing your std. dev for no reason. I know poker is volatile, but I would like a graph that doesn’t look like the stock market, and I think it’s because of hands like this.

Thanks everyone.

I was thinking about this a little bit more. Do you guys think there is an argument to just fold river? Without being results oriented, I honestly don’t think I can name a bluff? His value range is very narrow. I don’t think flopped sets just call on this board? If you do, what turns allow you to get more money in? The turn just goes check check so often. I mean the only full house I really can see him having is 98. And then it’s just 8s for his value range.

Edit… whoops… and J10 for the straight. Those dang invisible straights lol.

Maybe he’s going thin with some kind of 1 pair holding (two pair with board) but that also feels kind of off for his pot size river bet? Idk… is a fold too unreasonable? I don’t like the jam (clearly), I can get behind the call… but is a fold best here?

I think 86s is playable on the button, but I would prefer to iso bigger ($12 minimum, but probably $15 is standard in most $1/$3 games) or just overcall.

Raising the river is really thin when opponent bets pot. In general, you have to be very careful in spots where a hand like JT makes a straight, because your opponents are likely playing every single of combo of JTo. Ditto for junky 8x hands like A8o. Opponent is uncapped here. If he bet half pot or even 2/3, I could get on board, though.

That being said, I am never folding trips in this spot. If you fold this hand, then what do you call with? It's basically the top of your range, as I can't imagine you check back sets and straights. Villain can easily show up here with a hand like AQ, Q9, 85s, or random spew.