Donald J. Trump (For everyone else except Victor)
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Yes, exactly. Even if schools had zero adults, those children GO HOME and into their communities and spread it. People like Luciom have ZERO IDEA about how disease spreads and how to control that spread. Literally zero. They also don't care. They only care about using arguments to further their braindead ideologies.
This is basically the core of the problem. They tend to only care about themselves, just like dear leader.
My blood starts to boil every time I read someone say some BS like this.
My wife is an educator. To say that there was NO REASON to close schools during a pandemic is the most 20/20 brainless, dehumanizing thing you can say. To begin with... who teaches those kids? Mostly 40+ y/o women, with a large % in their 50's+. To say their lives don't matter at all is beyond insulting.
We didn't know enough about the disease, but everyone pretends like we did. For Gods sake, people were spraying cardboard
Which part of "closing schools in march 2020 for a few weeks wasn't insanity" was unclear to you?
But after countries like denmark don't close schools again, how terrible can you be to believe that the objectively more civic than the USA denmark hates women teachers ? how comes a country as developed as Denmark was able to know enough about the virus to know that schools could and should be reopened and never closed again, and american teacher unions, almost uniquely around the first world, insisted on keeping them closed for longer than almost every where else in the first world?
and given the measurable DISASTER to education that was, as reported by everyone who checked the effects of that, how horrible can you be ex post to defend that choice at all?
and doing it with the same fake empathy attempt of "think of the teachers!!!" even if teachers didn't die more than the general population in countries that kept schools open?
*everyone got repeatedly exposed to covid anyway so all attempts to avoid that never saved a single life, after vaccination was available*
we can discuss tradeoffs ad nauseam pre-vaccination, but after vaccination was available the totality of the restriction made 0 sense under all models, and democrat teacher unions, horrifically, asked and managed to keep schools closed in some cases for a very long while AFTER vaccination was available.
And you are here defending that horrific crime against children which didn't save a single teacher life. Disgusting
^^ See what I mean?
Hey Luciom, did you know the only reason our local schools ever even closed during covid was because there weren't enough teachers or subs to teach or there were so many absences that the day wouldn't even count as a day of instruction? Those are the exact reasons schools close for the flu.
Of course you don't know that.
But keep foaming at the mouth.
A would think a good reason to close schools would be so the Little Colonels wouldn't need to suffer the torture of wearing a mask.
A would think a good reason to close schools would be so the Little Colonels wouldn't need to suffer the torture of wearing a mask.
Or you do like Denmark which never mandated the masks in school for students while lessons were ongoing (they mandated masks to walk in the corridors and whatnot, for a few months, in lat 2020-early 21).
Should i link you Denmark excess deaths vs american excess deaths during covid?
Ya, it's pointless... he doesn't want to consider he may be totally wrong.
Let's compare a random Scandinavian country that controlled the disease way better than America (which has the 2nd worse response to covid in the world)... and pretend they are the same.
everyone got exposed to covid in Denmark, like in all other countries, no one "controlled the disease" in any way at all
It's gonna be funny (not funny haha) if rfk doesn't get in because he isn't anti-abortion, not because he's a lunatic.
Or you do like Denmark which never mandated the masks in school for students while lessons were ongoing (they mandated masks to walk in the corridors and whatnot, for a few months, in lat 2020-early 21).
Should i link you Denmark excess deaths vs american excess deaths during covid?
Should I link you to the definition of "experimental control?"
holy mother of god
This is just wrong on its face. A dozen IRS employees could send out more audits than a team of 100, depending on how the organization is managed. The # of IRS personnel does not change the scope of the IRS's authority.
At some point, fewer IRS employees means fewer audits. That isn't the part that Luciom has terribly wrong. The part he has terribly wrong is his assessment of why Trump is doing what he is doing.
everyone got exposed to covid in Denmark, like in all other countries, no one "controlled the disease" in any way at all
Tell that to Iceland.
Denmark had one of the lowest pop/death rates in the world (1.5k/per mill). I guess they just have strong genes. It had nothing to do w/ their totally sane and thoughtful covid policies I'm sure.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PM...
Highlights
•Denmark has effectively controlled the spread of SARS-CoV-2 with a fast and strict lockdown response.
•Danish society and industry slowly began to re-open in mid-April.
•A rapid response, trust in government and social heritage all contributed to the effective management of Covid-19.
Abstract
Denmark, a Scandinavian country of 5.8 million people has weathered the Covid-19 crisis with a relatively low rate of infection and death. Denmark has also become one of the first European countries to partially re-open its society. We offer the perspective that the combination of rapid response from the government, trust and a high level of confidence in government by Danish citizens, and the importance of social heritage contributed to the effective management of the coronavirus crisis.
And in America... and Italy... it was very much the opposite, and unsurprisingly, opposite outcomes.
Highest morality among First world Nations:
Hungary: Approximately 4,833 deaths per million.
Croatia: Approximately 4,489 deaths per million.
Czech Republic: Approximately 4,352 deaths per million.
Slovakia: Approximately 4,149 deaths per million.
Romania: Approximately 3,851 deaths per million.
Brazil: Approximately 3,780 deaths per million.
United States: Approximately 3,414 deaths per million.
Italy: Approximately 3,300 deaths per million.
United Kingdom: Approximately 3,300 deaths per million.
Poland: Approximately 3,000 deaths per million.
Tell that to Iceland.
Denmark had one of the lowest pop/death rates in the world (1.5k/per mill). I guess they just have strong genes. It had nothing to do w/ their totally sane and thoughtful covid policies I'm sure.
Excess deaths were very low in Denmark yes throughout covid, but even lower in Sweden which did even less.
I took up Denmark as an example because Sweden is "taboo" with covidians, while Denmark was never considered a country that managed covid badly.
And their sane and thoughtful covid policies were... far less strict than what NYC or Chicago did. Including the school reopening and the lack of mask mandates for sitting students during lessons.
"curiously" you didn't answer about that, with your "you don't care about the teachers1!!!!!"
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PM...
Highlights
•Denmark has effectively controlled the spread of SARS-CoV-2 with a fast and strict lockdown response.
•Danish society and industry slowly began to re-open in mid-April.
•A rapid response, trust in government and social heritage all contributed to the effective management of Covid-19.
Abstract
Denmark, a Scandinavian country of 5.8 million people has weathered the Covid-19 crisis with a relatively low rate of infection and death. Denmark has
Italy had 70 days of militarily enforced lockdowns, the army patrolling the streets. Everything closed except absolute necessities.
Yet you and the few covidians left, aren't even willing to admit that the strictness of the response was proven to be completly irrelevant by that and many other examples.
Everyone got exposed to covid anyway everywhere, and deaths depended on overall previous health levels of the population, age (amount of very old people especially) , and yes genes as well.
When Mexico and Indonesia, 2 countries at very similar stages of development, 2 countries with similar age structure of the population and similar obesity rates, 2 countries that didn't for practical reasons manage to implement much "containment" at all (for those who think that matter), end up with mexico having 10x the excess deaths...
Excess deaths were very low in Denmark yes throughout covid, but even lower in Sweden which did even less.
I took up Denmark as an example because Sweden is "taboo" with covidians, while Denmark was never considered a country that managed covid badly.
And their sane and thoughtful covid policies were... far less strict than what NYC or Chicago did. Including the school reopening and the lack of mask mandates for sitting students during lessons.
"curiously" you didn't answer about that, with your "y
Oh FFS do we have to do this again, Luciom? How many times have you lost this stupid argument and then you come back and pretend nothing happened?
Do you think population density might be an issue in these countries?
Do you notice anything about the countries you repeatedly cite? LOW POPULATION DENSITY.
What happens to a disease with a high population and density? It spreads faster. More replications = more mutations. More mutations means vaccines and immune systems are less prepared. This is EXPONENTIAL. Small differences can make huge impacts on outcomes.
Your comparisons are LAUGHABLY stupid. You cannot compare countries that are VASTLY different in so many different variables and pretend like one or two of those variables made all the difference.
You know absolutely nothing about experimental design or how to control for variables. You know absolutely nothing about immunology, virology, or epidemiology. You know absolutely nothing about any topic you talk about.
How you aren't embarrassed by your posting I honestly have no idea.
Excess deaths were very low in Denmark yes throughout covid, but even lower in Sweden which did even less.
I took up Denmark as an example because Sweden is "taboo" with covidians, while Denmark was never considered a country that managed covid badly.
And their sane and thoughtful covid policies were... far less strict than what NYC or Chicago did. Including the school reopening and the lack of mask mandates for sitting students during lessons.
"curiously" you didn't answer about that, with your "y
In today's world, where verified info is at your fingertips, there's really no excuse for bad info. You spend so much time posting on here, and about how people must get out and work hard for the billionaire class, yet you....
I thought Sweden had been covered ad nauseam... they had a totally insane policy, that worked for a couple of months, and then when infections started rolling in, all their numbers spiked, and they changed up their policy. Swede's by the way social distance naturally. 😀
They ended up with 2.2k death/per mill, just missing the top 10 and ended up w/ the 14th worse response.
At some point, fewer IRS employees means fewer audits. That isn't the part that Luciom has terribly wrong. The part he has terribly wrong is his assessment of why Trump is doing what he is doing.
I mean rococo i am not claiming Trump is firing the lawyers in the DOJ that persecuted him to reduce the power of the federal government.
But i do claim that the declared attempts to disempower (and potentially cancel) the DoE for example are exactly just about reducing the power of the federal government.
And the same is true for regulatory agencies.
As for interrupting international aid except for very few key allies , how does that make Trump "a dictator", how does that further autocratic attempts??
Italy had 70 days of militarily enforced lockdowns, the army patrolling the streets. Everything closed except absolute necessities.
Yet you and the few covidians left, aren't even willing to admit that the strictness of the response was proven to be completly irrelevant by that and many other examples.
Everyone got exposed to covid anyway everywhere, and deaths depended on overall previous health levels of the population, age (amount of very old people especially) , and yes genes as well.
When Mexi
Did they trust the government's response?
No... they were very similar to America, thinking it was all nonsense, and just like the flu.
Do you want to pretend that's not true? You know I'm Italian and have family in Italy right?
Did they trust the government's response?
No... they were very similar to America, thinking it was all nonsense, and just like the flu.
Do you want to pretend that's not true? You know I'm Italian and have family in Italy right?
So your claim is that what the government decides is completly irrelevant, even if the government implements exceptionally strict policies, it depends on what the population wants to do?
So your claim is that what the government decides is completly irrelevant, even if the government implements exceptionally strict policies, it depends on what the population wants to do?
Luciom do you think the government saying wear a mask might be effective even if no one wears a mask? What a stupid @#$*#)( question.
So your claim is that what the government decides is completly irrelevant, even if the government implements exceptionally strict policies, it depends on what the population wants to do?
No, I'm not a binary thinker by nature.
Government policy AND the seriousness of how an administration handles population threatening diseases plays a key role. But also how people adhere to those rules matters.
I happen to live in an extremely heavy Trump supporting county in CA. People DID not adhere to these rules by and large. Restaurants remained open. Many gym's defied the law. People openly gathered socially during the peak of the pandemic. It was a point of pride to not take covid seriously.
Many people got seriously infected and died as a result. I know nurses that said Trump supporters dying of covid on their death bed, still called it a hoax. No joke.
So multiple factors matter. Do you think the response and result might have been different if Trump took it serious, and did the responsible thing, instead of putting profits over lives? I'm sure it was internally seen as skimming the fat... pun is intended.
These people knew full well what they were doing.
I mean rococo i am not claiming Trump is firing the lawyers in the DOJ that persecuted him to reduce the power of the federal government.
But i do claim that the declared attempts to disempower (and potentially cancel) the DoE for example are exactly just about reducing the power of the federal government.
And the same is true for regulatory agencies.
I'm sorry but I just don't believe the bolded. Trump doesn't really care about reducing the power of the federal government, and he certainly doesn't have any interest in reducing the power of the presidency. He is taking steps that he believes will make it easier for him to bend the entire federal government to his will.
As for interrupting international aid except for very few key allies , how does that make Trump "a dictator", how does that further autocratic attempts??
That sort of thing just reduces soft U.S. influence in the world and increases suffering in some areas of the world. I know that the latter point is of no concern to you. Generally speaking, the more isolated a country is, the more susceptible it is to autocracy, but I wouldn't credit Trump with understanding that point.
Did we get all new teachers in the country from the variety that fought hard to keep kids out of school for way too long after covid?
Did you get a new brain?
You should.
1. What is "after covid?"
2. Which teachers fought to keep kids out of school, ever?
3. What defines "too long?"
That was one of the dumbest posts I've seen today, and Luciom is back.
1) after covid wasn't an emergency anymore (= a vax was available)
2) all the demoniac teachers unions which managed to keep schools closed
3) all other first world countries, and private schools attended by richer, more educated families (and so managed better definitionally) , reopened far sooner
We know you know, we don't know why you deny, that a lot of teachers (all democrats affiliated through unions) in the USA acted horribly with obscenely bad repercussion to education and mental health of
I wasn't talking to you. My questions are not directed at you so your answers are not relevant. They were directed to the person that made the statement. I could not be less interested in your answers.
But thank you for demonstrating my last point extremely well.
bahbahmickey would you like to respond to my questions?
Lucium, nailed the answers to your questions. It seems a bit odd that you are trying to deny what teachers and their unions did post covid.
