President Elon Musk
He probably deserves his own thread at this point, discuss accordingly
ye maybe genocide isn't the proper word, more like "mass killing of disabled citizens".
I am not aware of any other country that does it at any scale comparable to Canada currently
The Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland have comparable numbers
It is not enough to simply have a disability to be eligible, requirements are in the link and require reiteration of concent from the patient at multiple points https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/s...
The Netherlands, Belgium, and Switzerland have comparable numbers
It is not enough to simply have a disability to be eligible, requirements are in the link and require reiteration of concent from the patient at multiple points https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/s...
well if killing 15k disabled citizens in a year isn't Nazism because of specifications, then touching your chest near your heart area then extending your arm toward a crowd saying "my heart is with you" maybe isn't Nazism either
I'd be more likely to dismiss as nothing substantial if it wasn't for his facial expression and the "hmph" noise he made when he stiff armed lmao. That reads more like channelling the energy of his ancestors to assure the future of civilization than an expression of love.
But there are probably more effective ways to criticize Elon
Holy ****, Luciom thinks assisted suicide is genocide!?!?! It's like Javier Milie. These supposed Libertarians always turn out to be fascist religious nutjobs. I'd laugh if this Christian Fascism weren't everywhere, like atop the Pentagon.
Holy ****, Luciom thinks assisted suicide is genocide!?!?! It's like Javier Milie. These supposed Libertarians always turn out to be fascist religious nutjobs. I'd laugh if this Christian Fascism weren't everywhere, like atop the Pentagon.
I think you mean he was "semantically raping" the word genocide.
Oh, sorry, am I a being a hack again?
ye maybe genocide isn't the proper word, more like "mass killing of disabled citizens".
I am not aware of any other country that does it at any scale comparable to Canada currently
Man your dumb ….
And Funny how you preach libertarianism and yet if people with irrecoverable medical condition cannot choose how they can die ?
Through atrocious pain from a terminal Illness (your view it seem ) or by falling asleep (my view) to prevent pain and suffering for the patient and it’s familly …
U do love killing people on sight if they disobey the law (only the one I agree upon) and make people suffer don’t you while you come here defending high moral ground .
It’s so laughable .
Holy ****, Luciom thinks assisted suicide is genocide!?!?! It's like Javier Milie. These supposed Libertarians always turn out to be fascist religious nutjobs. I'd laugh if this Christian Fascism weren't everywhere, like atop the Pentagon.
nah I corrected with mass killing.
I think the state should be out of it completely especially if it pays welfare (and so has a massive self interest in convincing you to suicide).
ofc suicide and assisting others in suicide should be fully legal.
but ofc the state should never have any state employees involved in it at any stage ffs. the state shouldn't actually have any employees doing anything that can be done by private actors.
but yes milei is perhaps the best political leader in many decades worldwide, simply because he is the most libertarian one
Man your dumb ….
And Funny how you preach libertarianism and yet if people with irrecoverable medical condition cannot choose how they can die ?
Through atrocious pain from a terminal Illness (your view it seem ) or by falling asleep (my view) to prevent pain and suffering for the patient and it’s familly …
U do love killing people on sight if they disobey the law (only the one I agree upon) and make people suffer don’t you while you come here defending high moral ground .
It’s so laughable .
if state employees ever convinced a single person to kill himself so the state could save money, that's more than enough to close the state program
Man your dumb ….
And Funny how you preach libertarianism and yet if people with irrecoverable medical condition cannot choose how they can die ?
Through atrocious pain from a terminal Illness (your view it seem ) or by falling asleep (my view) to prevent pain and suffering for the patient and it’s familly …
U do love killing people on sight if they disobey the law (only the one I agree upon) and make people suffer don’t you while you come here defending high moral ground .
I
if state employees ever convinced a single person to kill himself so the state could save money, that's more than enough to close the state program.
these are innocent people so the system should asymmetrically protect them. same with trans care for minors, avoiding a single detransition later on is more important than allowing early transition for thousands.
I have no problem with people in pain killing themselves and professionals helping them doing so.
I have a problem with the state being involved
if state employees ever convinced a single person to kill himself so the state could save money, that's more than enough to close the state program.
these are innocent people so the system should asymmetrically protect them. same with trans care for minors, avoiding a single detransition later on is more important than allowing early transition for thousands.
I have no problem with people in pain killing themselves and professionals helping them doing so.
I have a problem with the state being invol
Amazing logic here again.
Using one case to dismiss the whole process , how smart can you be?
Let's apply that logic to everything and not do anything anymore again.
Amazing logic here again.
Using one case to dismiss the whole process , how smart can you be?
Let's apply that logic to everything and not do anything anymore again.
well yes, don't do anything with the state that isn't absolutely indispensable, ie lacking which society collapses into permanent civil war. And don't forbid anything to private individuals and companies unless it's absolutely indispensable to forbid it.
Just stop using the state to achieve your goals, the state should be the referee of the game of life, never a player.
well yes, don't do anything with the state that isn't absolutely indispensable, ie lacking which society collapses into permanent civil war. And don't forbid anything to private individuals and companies unless it's absolutely indispensable to forbid it.
Just stop using the state to achieve your goals, the state should be the referee of the game of life, never a player.
But isn't the state elected/result of elected people and then represent the will of the people?
But isn't the state elected/result of elected people and then represent the will of the people?
the will of the people within the limits of the constitution yes (in liberal democracies). And? Here we are talking about which constitutional limits to the power of the state i would like, same as you like others.
Anyway, idea is that state sanctioned mass killing of disabled citizens every year can be framed as "nothing to do with nazism" with enough specifications, which means everything except a will to genocide all jews can as well, which again, was my original point.
Yes, the "voluntary" (inasmuch as free will can be applied to disabled people , which isn't necessarily always a clear cut topic) participation does change the morality of the state sanctioned mass killing of disabled people.
Same as the movement Musk did is very different in meaning from an actual nazi salute, both because of specific differences in the movement, and because of context. It has nothing to do with nazism.
And generic racism isn't nazism, generic xenophobia isn't nazism and so on, everything that was common before nazism can't be nazism ffs.
well yes, don't do anything with the state that isn't absolutely indispensable, ie lacking which society collapses into permanent civil war. And don't forbid anything to private individuals and companies unless it's absolutely indispensable to forbid it.
Just stop using the state to achieve your goals, the state should be the referee of the game of life, never a player.
Wait ?!?
Aren’t you against regulations and government involvement ?
Ps: the government will never go initiate someone to end its life .
They love tax payer anyway ….
the will of the people within the limits of the constitution yes (in liberal democracies). And? Here we are talking about which constitutional limits to the power of the state i would like, same as you like others.
Anyway, idea is that state sanctioned mass killing of disabled citizens every year can be framed as "nothing to do with nazism" with enough specifications, which means everything except a will to genocide all jews can as well, which again, was my original point.
Yes, the "voluntary" (in
Both your statements are in bad faith imo.
state sanctioned mass killing of disabled citizens every year can be framed as "nothing to do with nazism" with enough specifications
wtf , it's not the state ordering killings, you know you are arguing in bad faith and this is getting annoying.
Same as the movement Musk did is very different in meaning from an actual nazi salute, both because of specific differences in the movement, and because of context. It has nothing to do with nazism.
We disagree, and also think you are in bad faith here.
You can also respond by saying I'm in bad face.
Amazing ain't it?
Both your statements are in bad faith imo.
wtf , it's not the state ordering killings, you know you are arguing in bad faith and this is getting annoying.
We disagree, and also think you are in bad faith here.
You can also respond by saying I'm in bad face.
Amazing ain't it?
did i write ordered, or did i write sanctioned? sanctioned means to give official permission, to allow explicitly, to help in achieving after allowing it. To not only make something possible, but to spend resources and actively try to achieve that outcome, through the state.
the only place I know that insists on genociding the very weak frail and old (or very handicapped) is Canada
Insisting or sanctionning?
triple checked ,
agree.
did i write ordered, or did i write sanctioned? sanctioned means to give official permission, to allow explicitly, to help in achieving after allowing it. To not only make something possible, but to spend resources and actively try to achieve that outcome, through the state.
The guy agree to shoot people on sight with state funding ressources just for crossing the border but not agreeing the state to help end the suffering of people in terminal phase of irrecoverable illness …
Luciomtopia at its best .
Always the same bs , making general claim with exception solely based on what he likes …not what would fair for everyone .
“Im pro freedom but only my kind of freedom” -Luciom
real freedom .
Nope.
The term neo-Nazism describes any post-World War II militant, social or political movements seeking to revive the ideology of Nazism in whole or in part.
The term 'neo-Nazism' can also refer to the ideology of these movements, which may borrow elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, anti-communism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism, up to initiating the Fourth Reich. Holocaust denial is a common feature, as is the incorporation of Nazi symbols and admirat
neonazis want Jews DEAD. they aren't just run of the mill racists which dislike Jews "some". nazista think Jews are the biggest threat humanity faces and their complete genocide is existential for survival of the species. that's Nazism.
"normal" racism ofc isn't Nazism, Jews have been disliked by many cultures in the centuries.
but for someone to be an actual Nazi (neo or otherwise) , a deep desire for every single Jew to be assassinated is necessary
I didn't make these rules, I'm just telling you how it's used - and how people understand it.
I think you're right in this for the most part, but I do think Elon is a little sweet on Hitler.
I am not Jewish and I can only speak from my own experiences but I think this generation's interpretation of neo nazis has been watered down a little too much by design.
I think through a combination of certain activities that I partake in, being shooting competitions, being half German as someone who often just shaves their head simply because of a receding hair line and prefering to cut my own hair + having the personality that unless if someone is out to rob or murder me or my family, I tend to treat everyone with respect regardless of how off the wall the may be, I can say that I have had enough acquaintances with modern day nazis to form an opinion on that particular coalition.
There is a heavy religious element to it obv, and I didn't really even think it was possible to have the opinion, but your neo nazi really don't view Jews as human beings, or someone who would just prefer that Jews stay in Israel and everything will be okay. I remember reading 22 during the unite the right rally when I even think the thread title was cosplay and everyone had the opinion that it was a bunch of insos yelling at clouds when it of course unsurprisingly turned into a murderous **** show about the jews. Sure, theyll vote republican if they do vote, and they hate blacks and women just as much as your hardcore racist and sexist, but all they literally do is fantasize all day long about getting the opportunity to murder a Jew - nothing else competes with that. This crowd may find that too hard to believe, but I am going to put that in print anyway.
Its all semantic horseshit in the end, and I get the strategic pov of trying to combine your opponent's political base with the worst of them whenever possible, but I will still speak out when I can if i see the muddying of the water like this. In short, its religion.
