The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

Consider the nickname “mango Mussolini” stolen.

This doesn't seem good. I wonder what type of 6D chess Trudeau and his dream team and preparing to thread the needle for this. It's probably something parliament should be discussing.

There's no tariffs, it was a negotiations tool.

LMAO. Dude, we can’t ever “know” the actual amount crossing the border, it is unmeasurable. OF COURSE the only possible interpretation when measuring it is it is 1% that is actually measured by law enforcement. Just lol at trying to pretend your profound ignorance that led you to doubt the extremely highly publicized statistic had anything at all to do with some type of change in interpretation by me.

It’s funny because the 1% number seems almost unbelievably small when you think about the economic war declared on Canada, but yup that’s the number. Glad you’ve finally googled it.

Great example of how the horrific threats leveled by your Dear Leader actually have real world consequences, and even when the threat is removed at the last second those consequences don’t all go away. Remember when you had a hissy fit that I dared be emotional at the suffering for Canadians that you entirely forgot to mention people died during Covid?

How specific would you want him to be? It's Canada's job to secure our side of the border. He threatened tariffs and Canada had to come up with a solution he was happy with. It's pretty straight for negotiating,of course he was vague but he specifically identified the problem he wanted solved.

You wouldn't hear those things from Trudeau because he is trying take this as a political win and people like Uke are eating it up claiming he threaded the needle. But after the agreement Trump posted

Yes but Canada has some of the worst security in checking containers arriving into this country. Its not unreasonable to think the cartels would utilize the largest land border that is not patrolled .

I said I was skeptical that Trump would put the tariffs in place and it looks like I was right. I bet if Trudeau had done nothing he would have backed down after a phone call and called it a win

I guess all those premiers that pulled US booze off their shelves look a little foolish now. Rob Ford acted like a spoiled child ripping up the starlink deal .

If Trudeau cared about his country he would step down as leader and appoint a interim leader till Pierre is in place .

Will see how Canada reacts . My guess they will do nothing other than appoint one of Justin's friends as border czar and provincial borders will remain the same

I never doubted anything. You are pushing the number because it is so small. But as you said with such a large border, the number is obviously much higher. With over 4000 organized crime organizations operating in Canada, decriminalization and lax laws on drugs and uncontrolled border you are attempting to be deceptive by repeating the 1% over and over again.

Sorry, this reads as someone just ignorant of the widely reported number anyone who read the news has seen. If instead you meant you HAVE heard the widely reported statistic but you want to note the limitations in what it measures well…..say that next time. I can’t hold your hand through conversations all the time. If you have a point, make it, and don’t pretend to be the fool.

Unless you actually were.

If you were being honest you would have said seized. But you didn't because you are trying to make it seem like Trump is upset over nothing and Trudeau "threaded the needle" to stop something that is so small and insignificant. But really you have no idea how much crosses the border.

LOL. If you were being "honest" you wouldn't pretend this:

was anything but you being profoundly ignorant of the basic widely reported statistics as opposed to being secretly upset over some minor phraseology difference you didn't mention until later. But then you finally googled, realized I was right, and are desperately trying to imagine I must have meant something than the only obvious interpretation in order to find some way you can pretend I was wrong.

But yes, "small and insignificant" is totally accurate. The US - whose job it is to stop stuff coming into their country, not ours - seized an anemic 43kg from the Canadian border. Sure, probably more crossed BOTH the US and Mexico borders than was seized. But there is no indication that it is anything but a tiny problem, and couldn't possibly be enough to justify the trade war that was declared. Heck, the US's National Drug Thread Assessment report doesn't even mention the word Canada, despite mentioning mexico 86 times. There isn't a comparison between the two countries here.

You've repeated the number multiple times. I asked you for your receipts and you went off like a child that it's been repeated in the news and is common knowledge by everyone. There is an obvious difference between what is seized and what crosses the border. The fact that the RCMP can't even say how much is produced in Canada is a red flag. With 4000 different organized crime units currently operating in Canada it certainly more than 1%.

I was thinking about it and I'd sum it up differently.

Trump drew a knife to his best friend's throat and didn't ask anything specifically, he just did it and thought wait and see, gimme anything.
Besty trying to save his own life threw him a candy and Trump released him, picked up the candy like Gollum picked the ring.
End of story is :
Trump is happy but not sure why, but he is happy.
Best friend is now really unsure what to think about his supposedely soul mate, he knows these kind of impulse can happen at any moment and he's wondering if they are still friends, and if it's still worth it.
As we say, you can never trust an addict.
Hey maybe there are other friends out there.

Oh he is mistreating allies with no reason to do so and that's really disgusting yes.

But i was commenting on the purported claim that "he got outplayed" when he accepted a simple kiss on the ring to delay tariffs one month

Maybe I googled it after the first time you brought it up. Maybe you repeat 1% and not millions of doses when only 2mg is fatal. Maybe you googled it after I asked and saw it was seizures so decided to act like a child and not post a source.

In 2017 Trudeau announced an opioid crises and funded it with billions of dollars including a bunch of different programs. And all the RCMP can say is we know there are 4000 organized crime operations with a substantial amount of them participating in the manufacturing of fentanyl.

I'm glad you learned something from my posting you were previously ignorant of.

Good for him. It's a hard and thorny problem, but a diverse range of domestic problems are going to be more successful then pretending you can stop drugs from coming in across an 8km long border that has billions worth of good flowing across it daily.

How about you share the source - what exactly are you wanting the RCMP to say? Just like at the border, they can't measure the real amount of fentanyl, they could maybe say things like total amount seized in a year or whatever.

I'm sorry but I just don't quite get what Trump expects Canada to do. If his contention is there is a flood of fentanyl entering the USA from Canada - isn't that the job of US customs to stop? Is this just his version of "There will be a wall, and I'll make them pay for it" but Canada?

Basically. Canada checks passports etc of people coming into Canada - but not leaving. The US checks passports etc of people coming into the USA - but not leaving. So the stuff going into the US from Canada is to a first order approximation the responsibility of the US. That said the US and Canada do work very closely together at surveillance and intelligence sharing, in previous eras the border has been a great model for a shared border.

But saying you forced Canada into some big concessions to, uh, do, uh, something to "secure" the 8km long border with billions of goods and services flowing over it every day apparently is some trump obsession and so here we are.

Right, the more logical order of operations here would be that if Trump was really worried about what was coming across the border, he'd come up with a plan of what they'd like to do about it and then ask Canada to support the plan with our resources. If we refused, or didn't want to contribute as much as the US felt was appropriate, then could choose to put some pressure on. But Trump wanted to make a public spectacle of this, so he did it in reverse - unshockingily.

Something I didn't see any commitment to (but it's hard to know for certain with so few details out) was anything around port security. I've read about it multiple times, I'm pretty sure from different sides of the political fence, that it's...less than optimal, to be kind. I think it would make more sense for Trump to be pressing us on that, and our defence spending, than vague complaining about trade imbalances and the US-Canada border. And those are both areas we should want to spend more on anyway (port security and defence).

Trump used that excuse because it’s the only excuses he could use to put tariffs legally .
Canada do not have a border crisis , Mexico does …

Exactly and neither is trump !
So going in a trade war with your best friend that could cost tens of billions is stupid on something u don’t even know if it’s a problem is pretty stupid .

But again , it’s always the trump blaming games so nothing new his cultist believes every words his spew .

Ya I thought something similar. It's one of those things like the auto-theft exports at port of montreal, and I haven't quite got a full finger on why it is the way it is. I think it is ultimately logistical. Port of vancouver gets about 1.5 million containers a year. CBSA investigates about 4% of these containers...and you have to imagine "investigate" itself is quite a range from like opening it up and glancing inside versus a full deconstruction that finds the bit of fentanyl precursor at the bottom of the back barrel of whatever. And corruption. This isn't to say it can't be or shouldn't be improved, but that it isn't necessarily "easy" and almost certainly not cheap.

Ok? Now he has Mexico and Canada supplying 10,000 troops at their borders, plus funding, plus everything else and can now focus on fentanyl domestically. All while still holding all the leverage and can make more demands in 29 days.

How long would that have taken? Have you been following since he's taken office, it's been a full court press by the administration. Much simpler and a better negotiating tactic to apply pressure and deadlines, have the person your negotiating with propose the plan and say yes or no. That's what you do when you have leverage.