Did anyone watch the PLO HU match between Dylan Weisman and Jungleman?
Pretty interesting hand starts around 30:19.
https://www.youtube.com/live/_PIZukgDnTs...
(1) Weisman raises flop with trips on K33r board. In this games I play, 0% of players will ever find bluffs here. Thoughts on what hands we should bluff? Should Weisman slowplay his trips here in position?
(2) From Jungle's POV, what is the best line to take? (a) x/r turn, (b) x/c turn, lead river, or (c) x/c turn, x/r river? Jungle chooses option c, but this seems worst to me because he loses value.
Any thoughts on who's the better player between Weisman and Jungle?
Edit: They actually discuss this hand around 34:20. Weisman tells Jungle he should have potted turn. But Jungle says "that's ridiculous."
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Pretty interesting hand starts around 30:19.https://www.youtube.com/live/_PIZukgDnTs...(1) Weisman raises flop with trips on K33r board. In this games I play, 0% of players will ever find bluffs here. Thoughts on what hands we should bluff? Should Weisman slowplay his trips here in position?(2) From Jungle's POV, what is the best line to take? (a) x/r tu
I think Jungle wanted to take the line of a bluffcatcher - not much else he can do without signaling he has K3+. I don't really get the river checkback - even if he folds all 3x and just calls with K3/33 it would make sense to bet.
Expecting to be up against a bluff, and to play all your nutted hands slow, jungle won't have a 3b range on this flop.
When dylan raises flop and pots turn on this board, where you've got at most 1 out to protect against, and a potentially wide bluff range, you keep playing slow.
If he can balance it, which he probably can, lead river is fun.
Honestly , and not trying to be harsh, but don't really understand Dylan's play here. We basically have zero bluffs and almost no raising range on this texture. All we accomplish, at least in my view, is we unneccessarily narrow our opponent's range with a combo that'll struggle to get three streets from worse as well as will have limited visibility being oop w/ 2 streets left to play.
Key Note: Dr. GTO limps pre-flop, most likely because of freeze-out format and being at a chip deficit. This makes it a lot more harder for Jungle to assign him ranges, because he is playing against one of the most theoretical sound PLO players in the world. Dylan's range will be very well-balanced, but also preferential / adaptive. Especially if Jungle, is analyzing from more of a cash perspective than tournament, he may be underestimating the strength of Dylan's limping range (and by extension, turn). Dylan also has a rare A3xx rainbow hand, that is harder to read in 'bucket-style' analysis and would presumably play single-suited combinations more aggressively.
1) High-stakes players will find bluffs, that is one of the most critical skills of high-level pros. Bluffs on this texture are going to be typically be lower-equity semi-bluffs, often with straight redraw or pair-to-boat draw.
2) Jungle thinks turn xc is mandatory due to perceived lack of value hands for Dylan to bet against him, and keep in Dylan's bluffs. But Dylan thinks Jungle should re-pot to target worse boats (turned set potential is very important) and 3x hands that may stack off. And maybe also AAxx and Kxxx hands.
Jungle can absolutely lead river, especially since Dylan is likely to be highly polarized should he bet. River check might be a bit greedy.
Dylan is the better PLO player. Jungle is the better overall poker player (a top all-rounder live player), especially in NL. I'd assume Jungle is the slightly better mix player, but not by much (Jungle is know to have put in a ton of work with mix game solvers). Dylan is also a very strong mix player, and PLO tournament skill is strongly applicable to many mix tournaments as well. Both Dylan and Jungle could/would probably be included in top 100 or so best players in the world, and have a high profile among players.
