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Moderation Questions

The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa

30 January 2024 at 05:27 AM
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by Luckbox Inc m

Ok I'm ready too

You require almost zero effort.

Although you post a fair bit in the Politics, you are much more interested in life experiences than in the nuances of politics. You probably think of yourself as leftist, but not in the same way that Karl OG and Victor do. You don't sit around reading Marxist philosophy. You equate leftism with not believing any information that comes from a source of institutional power.

IMO, you obviously have a weird blind spot when it comes to crackpot conspiracies, and your overall worldview makes the burden-flipping that is so endemic to conspiratorial thinking seem reasonable to you.

You are the paradigmatic example of "I met a guy while traveling who believed a bunch of crazy ****, but otherwise was easygoing."

FWIW, I would be more curious to live your life for a week than I would most people here.


Biggerboat and I used to be at each others throats constantly over politics in POG. It’s like the wildest twist that he’s one of my favorite people here now. Our battles were vicious lol. Love you, bb


by biggerboat m

aaahhaaa. you got some right but I'm definitely not an old school liberal. Didn't vote for Obama either time. In fact, I've voted every republican presidential candidate up until trump. He changed the entire way I look at politics.In fact, I was really sort of "whatever" with politics in general. Just didn't care that much. No matter what happened politically there was al

Oh well. I was bound to miss at some point.


by microbet m

Rick,

Luciom was absolutely proven wrong about the Asian thing by the right farming study he posted. Are you both impervious to facts?

this is a wild interpretation of a prior discussion we had

but it tracks that thinking you disagreed with something proved something so i'm not surprised in the slightest


by Rococo m

One of your defining personality characteristics is crankiness.

i lol'd


by Rococo m

You require almost zero effort.

future career in standup if this lawyering thing doesn't work out imo


by rickroll m

this is a wild interpretation of a prior discussion we had

but it tracks that thinking you disagreed with something proved something so i'm not surprised in the slightest

Problem is that here, as in other forums, a lot of people are proud non-readers. People don't even read their own posts. You certainly didn't even follow and I'm not sure Luciom himself quite followed even how he obviously changed goal posts in the middle and then circled back to conclude that his original position before being forced to change goal posts was right.


by microbet m

Problem is that here, as in other forums, a lot of people are proud non-readers. People don't even read their own posts. You certainly didn't even follow and I'm not sure Luciom himself quite followed even how he obviously changed goal posts in the middle and then circled back to conclude that his original position before being forced to change goal posts was right.

I tell you that wheat vs rice cultivation makes people different wrt propensity to collectivism.

you deny, calling it racism, then I link a paper showing that just one generation of rice v wheat cultivation changes culture measurably.

you then claim that means that as soon as you remove the rice v wheat divide, the previous collectivist priming of rice cultivation disappears (with no source for this wild claim).

I counter that if one generation already creates a measurable divide (as per my source which you accepted), millennia necessarily create an absurdly insane divide, which means that even if it can fade away, it requires centuries (if ever, if the divide doesn't inprint in genes through selection which it should given how massive and pervasive to all elements of society it is, and given political attitudes are inheritable).

you claim that's goalpost shifting, i give up wasting time on the topic with you.

you then bring it back here again for unknown to me reasons.

remember all this was about my claim that the Singaporean model isn't exportable to all societies that arent ultra-collectivist in attitudes . and it works there because it's all people from rice cultivating cultures


by Luciom m

I counter that if one generation already creates a measurable divide (as per my source which you accepted), millennia necessarily create an absurdly insane divide,

Do you add the word "necessarily" there because you know how stupid that is? You even said "Lamarkian" in your post about it.


by microbet m

Do you add the word "necessarily" there because you know how stupid that is? You even said "Lamarkian" in your post about it.

yep Lamarckian, it passes through generations even if it's an acquired trait (and builds on itself).

do you know what that means?


by Luciom m

yep Lamarckian, it passes through generations even if it's an acquired trait (and builds on itself).

do you know what that means?

It's stupid and you are making it up that it adds up until it's "an absurdly insane divide". The study you posted showing that changes happen almost immediately obviously is counter to your notion. You make an allusion that it's like a genetic thing that adds up and creates some very different kinds of people who are just born different, is immensely racist and fascist. It's really the dividing ideological thing between you fascist totalitarians and communist totalitarians that behaviors are genetic, or you may be trying to be a weasel about something deeply ingrained that isn't genetic here.


not going to waste more time on genetics with someone who denies the uncontroversial claim that all behavioral propensities are inheritable at least in part.


by Luciom m

yep Lamarckian, it passes through generations even if it's an acquired trait (and builds on itself).

do you know what that means?

I do, but I'm kinda sure you know less about genetics than you do about sports.


by microbet m

Problem is that here, as in other forums, a lot of people are proud non-readers. People don't even read their own posts. You certainly didn't even follow and I'm not sure Luciom himself quite followed even how he obviously changed goal posts in the middle and then circled back to conclude that his original position before being forced to change goal posts was right.

no you're the one who has reading comprehension issues

just because luc shared an article which you felt negated his point doesn't mean the concept doesn't exist

article or not, it's a mainstream point of view held in not only academia here but by the actual people who you weirdly think you're white knighting for by pretending something they themselves say "yes that accurately describes us" is a lie

so in other words, i don't need to read the article that luc posted nor give your subjective refutation of it any platform, they are both meaningless - your confirmation bias didn't prove anything

i can post an article that says luc is actually irish, you can refute it by mentioning the article says he's black irish and in the end neither of us are going to change the mind of luc as to his own nationality

this is also why i don't believe this to be real

by formula72 m

You have lefties, like Microbet, who is a staunch believer of individual choice who is mostly a pro capitalist

not once have i took him at his word with this because he's deeply biased and spouts a lot of nonsense regularly and the only times he's all about "but i support freedom brah" it's usually when he's backed into a corner and has not logical response and he feels like this is his trump card because he thinks it grants him argumentative immunity since most of the people he's talking to find themselves in an undesirable position of then arguing against freedom


by natediggity m

You, UNPROMPTED, claimed that 90% of my posts are about trans people. A claim beyond bizarre. I did search for my many, many (perhaps hundreds?) posts about trans people and found one that included:"FYI my opinions on the trans issue are minimal. I don't care at all. But the bias here on who is allowed to post what is something else."I can only assume you are confusing me wit

any response new mod? just curious.


by natediggity m

any response new mod? just curious.

You hopped into the trans thread, did a big one sided multiquote of my posts (which were defending trans people) and tried to call me out for some reason that you totally don't care about.

You've (completely unprovoked and out of nowhere) brought up your distaste for defending trans rights at least twice now and have complimented media that "doesn't show trans people" (paraphrasing)

Now you are following me around bringing up trans people out of nowhere and demanding I respond to your totally not obsession with trans people

I dunno, for someone who totally has minimal opinions you express your distaste for trans people quite often. I'm sorry you don't like that I pointed that out.

Me being a mod has nothing to do with your repeatedly expressed opinions


You guys are both obsessed with trans issues.


by Luckbox Inc m

You guys are both obsessed with trans issues.

The attention they get is absurd and the point is to isolate a vulnerable community as the enemy. I hate bullies

My hatred for bullies is probably part of my hatred for Trump


Yup. That’s why I closed the trans thread unless there is an actual issue that really needs to be discussed like legislation. I’m done watching some of you debate the validity of a marginalized group’s existence.


by Crossnerd m

Yup. That’s why I closed the trans thread unless there is an actual issue that really needs to be discussed like legislation. I’m done watching some of you debate the validity of a marginalized group’s existence.

What got discussed at length (within forum guidelines) was the extent by which laws should accomodate trans ness to the detriment of everyone else.

Opinions varied and it was a topic during elections as well as a topic in most first world countries, again with very nuanced different choices made by different countries.

Thread was closed so all updates on legality (or lack thereof) of puberty blockers in various countries (or states) and everything else can't be tracked and discussed easily


by coordi m

The attention they get is absurd and the point is to isolate a vulnerable community as the enemy. I hate bullies

My hatred for bullies is probably part of my hatred for Trump

Quite insane to claim this given that 20 years ago no one cared about the topic in the slightest and the people starting obsessing over it out of thin air were all on the left, and the right only reacted when the requests started to be completely absurd, and just wanted to go back to where every country in history was until very recently.

"Bullies" just want to go back to when , as every society always did, we simply didn't spend any time at all to discuss 0.1% or less of the population and certainly we don't want to change anything at all in our lives to accomodate them more than we would any random person.

Individual basic rights (property, speech, voting everything else) are the same for trans people and that should be it.

Nothing in the law should cater to them specifically same as nothing in the law caters to albino people or any other tiny minority.

Calling people with this absolutely morally healthy position "bullies" after your team bullied society for years inserting a divise topic into every conversation is quite absurd.


by Luciom m

Individual basic rights (property, speech, voting everything else) are the same for trans people and that should be it.

Nothing in the law should cater to them specifically same as nothing in the law caters to albino people or any other tiny minority.

OK, but don't pretend like your opinion has anything to do with the numerosity of trans people. You feel the same way about black people, women, etc.


by Luciom m

Thread was closed so all updates on legality (or lack thereof) of puberty blockers in various countries (or states) and everything else can't be tracked and discussed easily

Thread was closed because everyone agreed in the mod forum that it was a raging dumpster fire of bigotry that has no place here


by Luciom m

Quite insane to claim this given that 20 years ago no one cared about the topic in the slightest and the people starting obsessing over it out of thin air were all on the left, and the right only reacted when the requests started to be completely absurd, and just wanted to go back to where every country in history was until very recently."Bullies" just want to go back to when ,


Some of us remember Charlotte 2016 when things really started taking off


by Rococo m

OK, but don't pretend like your opinion has anything to do with the numerosity of trans people. You feel the same way about black people, women, etc.

No I don't think the same about women.

Women deserve special superior legal protections in various cases, like women only prisons jist for example. And the exemption to military draft as well if there are enough men to cover needs.

I do think the same for races (complete racial blindness is the only thing that can work stably) but I don't think the same for languages.

I quite understand why a country might subsidize dying/low frequency languages that have an identitarian cultural element to that country (so I am ok with subsidies for Welsh language in the UK same as I am for 1000 years old buildings).

I am ok with every single European language having translators in the EU for all official documents even if it's inefficient.

But anyway point was and is that the bullying went on very violently from a single side for many years. Dunno if it was the mandate to sign pledges agreeing with gender theory (that is very different from accepting the existence of trans people) or the mutilation of minors or the biological men in women sports or the pronouns in bio or all of it together but at some point normal people correctly snapped and said enough to the actual bullies and just want to go back to normality.

A normality where trans people exist and no one in any place of society EVER owes them anything they don't owe to any other individual in society of their biological sex.

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