Top 2 on turn with AK, never checking here right?

Top 2 on turn with AK, never checking here right?

3/5 NL with $10 straddle utg, 9 handed. Overall the table has been loose passive and often with 4+ players limping to the flop.

Limited Reads:
V1 in straddle is tightish and hasn’t shown aggression yet, 30’s AM.
V2 in HJ is loose and has been aggressive preflop, frequently raising out of the blinds, 40’s AM.
H has tight image, only 1 hour into the table, and is an unknown at this card room, 50’s AM.

H opens $45 in LJ with AdKc (stack $1200)
HJ calls (stack $1600)
Straddle calls (stack $1350)

($135) Flop 5s 3h Ks
Check.
H $45.
Call. Call.

($270) Turn Ah
Check.
H??? Bet size?

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15 February 2025 at 05:54 AM
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Bet full pot, $270. This is geometric sizing - if you bet 100% pot on turn and get one call, you can jam river for 100% pot.

Probably some argument for overbetting to set up a less than 1 SPR on the river. This is a great spot for you because AXss is available and neither player will fold that hand for any sizing. Same goes for QJss and JTss and maybe even 67ss.


Checking would be a monumental error when opponents can have stuff like AXs. Just blast away here with a size that lets you comfortably shove river


Sorry but I am on the air of wanting to take this pot down or really put the screws to some one for a draw call. Double draws out there two flush possibilities and straights. I am going easily double pot bet on this wet board. If someone has a set already we're paying them off either way. Too many scare river cards to come here all the hearts and spades and little cards that complete the straight. Could even be on a gutter shot with a re-pop for a flush. MAKE EM PAY or take it down!


Ok, consensus seems to be bet, and bet fairly large or very large.

Turn actions:

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H bets $180. HJ calls. BB $1100.

H???


I call because I don’t think straddle is flatting a set after a c-bet and a call on a K-high two-tone board.

This can be worse for value (A5, A3). Mostly looks like a semibluff FD trying to maximize fold equity.

If he has 42s, so be it. Spike one of your 6 outs.


Ew. Not a fun spot but I’m not folding here.

There aren’t that many hands you’re losing too (unless V defends 42o which is possible) and there are plenty of potential bluffs. Worse value is possible too. I don’t really expect A5 or A3 to go crazy when AK is out there but it’s a loose-aggressive opponent and with two flush draws out there it’s conceivable.


Further action:

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H folds.
HJ tanks for a very long time, shows me his As8s. HJ shows the entire table his A by flipping it over. He then calls the raise.

(pot $2650) River is a 7c.
Straddle goes all-in with his last $160.
HJ folds.

Straddle asks HJ if he folded 2 pair. Straddle tells his neighbors he had a set. I didn't tell Straddle I had AK. A few minutes later, I asked him again if he was bluffing. He says no, he had a set.


In retrospect, it would be unusual for him not to check raise a set on the flop.

He just seemed very strong, and I felt that with my tight image, he was more likely to raise for value than as a semi-bluff. And he’d need a nutted hand to raise for value.

I do wonder if he had Kh5h, as he was pretty interested in knowing if the other player with the As folded two pair. However, I played 2.5 hrs with this V and I never saw any other aggressive actions from him.

About 15-30 min before this hand I saw this V looking at me quite a bit, it seemed like he was sizing me up. I don’t know if that contributed something to his play on this hand.

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by OGfromOCC

Further action:

Wait, hol'up:

(pot $2650) River is a 7c.
Straddle goes all-in with his last $160.
HJ folds.

Somebody actually folded a 2650 pot for 160 more?? Anyone else think that's hinky as hell? I don't know how it would or could be cheating or collusion, but it's weird enough that alarm bells would be going off if I saw that.

H has 120 straddles to start the hand. I'll pay to see 33/55 AP when I've top 2. Fatman succinctly laid out why I doubt V too.


In a SRP, three ways, and so deep, I might size up a little with our flop c-bet, to $60.

On the turn, our opponents are pretty capped. I'd size up and over-bet to $360.

There's a small chance one of our opponents flopped a set and is slow playing it. If we get raised, I'd consider folding, depending on the raise size.

Otherwise, there just isn't much our opponents can have that will call a bet of any size, other than flush draws, which we unblock, and maybe some Ax or Kx that is hoping to pair their kicker. Those are the hands we should be targeting for value, with a big bet.

I'm mostly expecting folds, no matter what size we bet. Maybe we can get a crying call from some PP's if we bet small enough, like $90, but I would rather target the flush draws and go larger.


by OGfromOCC

Ok, consensus seems to be bet, and bet fairly large or very large.

Turn actions:

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H bets $180. HJ calls. BB $1100.

H???

Yeesh.

We might have induced this by only betting 2/3 pot, but I think I could find a fold here. Straddle is going to have 55/33 in his range, and occasionally even 42s.

This is why I prefer an over-bet. We can't level ourselves into thinking we induced a raise when we bet more than pot into two opponents.

Just saw that HJ exposed his ace, then called, then folded on the river for another $160. Don't know what to make of that. Seems stupid to expose a card, and then fold after giving away that info. I might be somewhat concerned about some form of collusion between these two, but don't see the advantage in HJ calling turn after you fold.

I can believe that straddle slow played a set on the flop, even on this wet board. It does seem weird that he'd x/r less than all in, only leaving himself $160 back.

Played a very similar hand recently - called an EP open out of the BB with 22. Flopped bottom set on a somewhat wet board, check-called a c-bi, and went for the delayed check raise on the ace turn. V bet-3B jammed on me with KK (!?!), and I scooped when the river bricked.

Not everyone fast plays their 2P and sets on the flop.


by OGfromOCC

Overall the table has been loose passive...Limited Reads: V1 in straddle is tightish and hasn’t shown aggression yet, 30’s AM. ...H has tight image, only 1 hour into the table...H has the 6th nuts on the turn, and no real equity against better, and there are no obvious worse value hands but V1 just check shoved almost 2x pot into a 2/3 pot bet+call ... is it possible to know wh

Who can know. Game of imperfect information, might be a cooler, I guess you gotta call it off.

FWIW I think turn size is too big.

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