KQo 4-Way in Position to the River
1/2. Rake is 6 plus 3 for promotion to 60. In last five orbits:
V1 (116) has mixed opens, limps, and calls.
V2 (210) has opened less, more limps and calls.
V3 (230) never open-limped but called more than open-raised. He 3bet once.
Hero (covers) has 3bet five times (thanks, 2+2!) and taken down the pot preflop four times (folded once on the flop, see previous hand)
OTTH
Button straddles. V1 UTG opens 15. V2 and V3 call. Hero in the CO with KcQd? Hero calls. Button folds! 4 way
Flop (54): JcTd7h
V1 bets 15. V2 and V3 call. Hero calls.
Turn (99): Qs
V1 bets 20. V2 calls. Hero calls.
River (159): 4c
V all in for 66. V2 folds. Hero?
8 Replies
Fold pre.
I call river, not exactly loving it though.
KQo is the quintessential 3b or fold hand for me. In this hand, I would fold pre as any 3b commits you to calling a jam from V1, which isn't a great spot.
As played you can't fold facing a 1/3 pot jam. I think I would even consider putting V1 all-in on the turn -- you are committed on most runouts when you call, and can still get value from lots of worse pair + straight draw combos, which will be plentiful with this sizing. V2 is dead money.
During the hand, I thought KQo plays well multiway in position with loose passives. Are all pros never calling KQo now?
During the hand, I thought KQo plays well multiway in position with loose passives. Are all pros never calling KQo now?
I am far from a pro, but will say that KQo plays very poorly as a call because your top pair hands are dominated VERY often. Where I play (in Connecticut) a 3b with KQo will often fold AKo and AQo hands from tight-passive field callers as well, which is obviously an incredible result.
It's a bit counter-intuitive, but KQs is arguably a better call here because you keep in all the trashy suited junk that your opponents call with.
KQs is arguably a better call here because you keep in all the trashy suited junk that your opponents call with.
+1
You drove the sports car well for the first few laps, but now you're driving recklessly. KQo is smoked by V1's UTG open range, and since he's short-stacked, there are no implied odds for a big score. IMO, the two callers in between are basically irrelevant.
I can't imagine folding in this spot pre, but the rake is so insane that 3! or fold might be right. You probably don't want to 3! this vs the UTG short stack and be forced to call a shove.
It's an interesting hand. A raise on the flop could also be good. Unless UTG has flopped a set, it puts him in a tough spot. His small bet size might be weak. OTOH, we might run into a big hand vs so many people. Live reads are going to enter into it, but I lean to a raise.
On the turn, I think everyone has to be pretty weak with the bet sizing and passivity. But now that we have top pair, I guess there is no real reason to raise.
The river sucks because you are getting such a price and the PFR might just be going for it because he is getting such a good price on his bluff. Maybe he just has KJ or AJ and doesn't know what else to do. I think I'd call against someone who was either poor or aggro and fold against a conservative player, as there really aren't a lot of bluffs to have and KJ might fold UTG and AJ might consider checking the turn or river.
Flop and turn both, with a weak bet and 1-2 calls in a decent sized pot with good equity, I want to put in a raise.
Then we see a bet on the river that actually makes you think but now the price is too good to fold.
I'd rather be putting in the aggression earlier, when there's a possibility of winning the pot outright and having outs in case we're behind.
Preflop tho, I think that is an off ramp, a time for a disciplined fold when neither calling multiway nor 3betting seem particularly appealing.
