Of Course You Know What "Woke" Means
The title for this thread was stolen from the Freddie deBoer blog/article quoted and linked below. I couldn't come up wi
You're 'agreeing with Tim.'
There's a well-known psychological experiment in which the subjects are standing in a room and two researchers enter, one carrying a large placard with a sort of equals sign on it, except the top line is visibly longer than the bottom line. The other researcher asks, 'Can anyone tell me which of these two lines is longer? Yes, Tim.' And one of the subjects, who we'll call Tim, says confidently, 'It's the bottom line.' Tim, of course, is a plant -- he's one of the researchers. The funny thing is that when the researchers go round the rest of the group to ask what they think, with very rare exceptions they 'agree with Tim,' denying the evidence of their own eyes because they don't want to be the odd one out and incur a taboo.
You're 'agreeing with Tim.'There's a well-known psychological experiment in which the subjects are standing in a room and two researchers enter, one carrying a large placard with a sort of equals sign on it, except the top line is visibly longer than the bottom line. The other researcher asks, 'Can anyone tell me which of these two lines is longer? Yes, Tim.' And one of the sub
What is your evidence for this claim?
Then make that argument. The other argument is just stupid. No one is saying biological males menstruate or give birth, but the argument as presented is dishonestly capitalizing on that absurdity to support this argument. I think the argument that trans men aren't men is stupid and narrow-minded, but at least it is honest. Saying "hurr durr men can't get pregnant dummy" is just
Sorry but they aren't men and it's in no way narrow minded or stupid to point this out. They're biological females who identify as men. That's nowhere near being the actual same as men. A trans man who can menstruate and get pregnant isn't sharing a commonality with biological men. They're uniquely female experiences. There are uniquely male experiences, societal as well as physical that in some ways quantify men, just as there are for women.
Trans people deserve empathy and dignity, due to their dysphoria, but it's fundamentally untrue to say that trans men are men. They aren't. And what you regard as stupid and narrowminded, others see as denying fundamental truths in order to accommodate sufferers of gender dysphoria and akin to the Emperor's new cloths. You can wish for equality and respect people's preferred pronouns without becoming divorced from simple reality.
Sorry but they aren't men and it's in no way narrow minded or stupid to point this out. They're biological females who identify as men. That's nowhere near being the actual same as men. A trans man who can menstruate and get pregnant isn't sharing a commonality with biological men. They're uniquely female experiences. There are uniquely male experiences, societal as well as phy
You are welcome to your opinion, but I get to be welcome to mine also. Mine is that your view is narrow-minded. I will not call it stupid because I respect you more than that.
1) There was no claim that trans men are "sharing a commonality with biological" males so that means nothing.
2) Trans men are biologically female so that is not an argument against my stance.
3) Your entire argument seems to not understand that sex and gender are not the same thing.
You then simply restate your thesis that trans men aren't men and call it fundamentally untrue. You have provided nothing but your belief of this and your confusion of the concept of gender and sex to support it. You grew up thinking they were the same thing, I get that, but they aren't the same thing, and their meanings are growing more and more separate as we learn more about biological sex and how it relates to gender expression.
Trans men are men in the exact same way that green cars are cars.
You are welcome to your opinion, but I get to be welcome to mine also. Mine is that your view is narrow-minded. I will not call it stupid because I respect you more than that.1) There was no claim that trans men are "sharing a commonality with biological" males so that means nothing.2) Trans men are biologically female so that is not an argument against my stance.3) Your entire
I'm saying biological males out of respect for trans people actually, but I'll rephrase it- menstruation and pregnancy aren't things transmen have in common with actual men, even if they identify as men. Mere identifying doesn't make a transman the same as a man. And again that doesn't mean transgender people should be discriminated against, but trans men identify as men. Doesn't mean they are men. And I respect your opinion also and am sorry if you regard mine as narrow minded. We'll just have to disagree on this issue as neither of us will convince the other on this.
I'm saying biological males out of respect for trans people actually, but I'll rephrase it- menstruation and pregnancy aren't things transmen have in common with actual men, even if they identify as men. Mere identifying doesn't make a transman the same as a man. And again that doesn't mean transgender people should be discriminated against, but trans men identify as men. Doesn
No problem, agree to disagree. Much more respect for this approach than trying to capitalize on the absurdity of "libruls think men can get pregnant."
I'm saying biological males out of respect for trans people actually, but I'll rephrase it- menstruation and pregnancy aren't things transmen have in common with actual men, even if they identify as men. Mere identifying doesn't make a transman the same as a man. And again that doesn't mean transgender people should be discriminated against, but trans men identify as men. Doesn
Corpus do you realize though that it's not just about politely disagreeing in an internet forum? At some point laws and regulations get written and what your position implies is a complete counter to what gorgon would like laws and regulations to be.
At the end it gets very "dirty" and "violent" (according to people who purportedly see their rights violated).
Corpus do you realize though that it's not just about politely disagreeing in an internet forum? At some point laws and regulations get written and what your position implies is a complete counter to what gorgon would like laws and regulations to be.
At the end it gets very "dirty" and "violent" (according to people who purportedly see their rights violated).
Don't try to speak for me, fascist. I don't try to legislate my opinions.
'Woke is their god': Ex-Dem fundraiser says party 'in shambles' after 2024 election losses.
"I don't know how they're going to get out of this wilderness," Li said, adding that the party has been "hijacked" by "woke" ideology.
"It's their religion, it's their god, woke is their god. This trans, woke insanity – they are enthralled by it," Li said.
"Companies are running as fast as they can from this toxic agenda, yet the Democratic Party is doubling down time and time again on this," the former Democratic fundraiser added. "Honestly, it's gender hysteria. It's almost like a social contagion."
'Woke is their god': Ex-Dem fundraiser says party 'in shambles' after 2024 election losses.
Li is a grifter making the rounds. Useful idiot cashing out
Yeah; if you leave the cult you are a grifter.
In Li's case shes absolutely a grifter. In carville's case, hes just an 80 year old white man who blamed women for the democrats woes even before Kamala lost.
Not sure if that makes him a grifter, but it does make him washed thus making his opinion on anything moot
I got to watch that movie again .
Woke , DEI , etc .
Still of actuality !
Ugh can you stop shoving your weird gender obsessions down our throat. No one cares about whatever weird insecurities you have or repressed emotional journey that you are on.
Reminds me of the time Luciom couldn't wait to tell me "my hero" Pete Buttigieg removed the pronouns from his twitter bio or some such minutiae. Just shows how much more they care about the gender stuff than the people that are supposedly shoving it down their throats. Also as if a politician would ever be my hero.
Reminds me of the time Luciom couldn't wait to tell me "my hero" Pete Buttigieg removed the pronouns from his twitter bio or some such minutiae. Just shows how much more they care about the gender stuff than the people that are supposedly shoving it down their throats. Also as if a politician would ever be my hero.
Gender is a central aspect of reality. It matters a lot.
We can consider gender frameworks an aspect of culture.
Then, there are two options. Either culture is an essential contributing factor to humanity solving its existential problems or it’s not.
If it’s not, then culture is arbitrary in the grand scheme. You can play around with it in whatever arbitrary manner; it doesn’t ultimately matter much.
When progressives tell me gender is a construct, my sense is they are trying to communicate the view that culture, or at least gender, is not that important (not an essential contributing factor to overcoming the existential problems).
Is this fair?
