Nut flush on a paired turn, out of position at 1.3 SPR
Saturday Evening game, 8 handed, main V is a young Chinese guy - he played loose aggressive style and showed good fold earlier (AK, bet fold to a jam on a KQ6r K 8 runout). V's late position opening / 3! range is very wide, for example, he once 3! from CO with 8Ts.
V opened from CO over a limper to 12, btn (loose passive) called, hero called with A2ss from SB, BB called, limper completed. 5-way. Hero had 330.
Flop (60) 3s 4c 7s
All checked to the pre-flop aggressor, V bet 25, btn folded, hero CR to 65, V is the only caller, he had hero covered.
Turn (190) 4s
Hero had 253 left.
Hero?
A side note is that this casino awards the two highest hand per day for 1K and 500 - does this affect our play by a higher motivation to see the river?
Thanks in advance everyone.
11 Replies
I REALLY don't like the preflop call, especially given your read on the CO. This is a clear 3-bet or fold, especially at these stack sizes in a rake-pot game.
Thanks for the above comments. Anyone actually wanted to make suggestions on the TURN? That's the key question.
PRE - I prefer to play raise or fold out of the SB. If we know the BB isn't squeezing often, maybe it's okay to flat call with the low suited aces.
FLOP - think I'd prefer to donk out, to get called by the limper before action gets to the PFR. Don't really love check raising here, but if I did x/r, I'd go bigger, like $125. This size raise generates almost no fold equity.
TURN - As played to this point, I'd bet a little less than 1/2 pot, $85, with a plan to rip it in on the river.
I don't think it makes sense to slow play our hand on the turn for the sake of the high hand promotion. There's a roughly 2% chance we drill the 5s on the river. I'd rather focus on getting the rest of our stack into the pot.
PRE - I prefer to play raise or fold out of the SB. If we know the BB isn't squeezing often, maybe it's okay to flat call with the low suited aces.FLOP - think I'd prefer to donk out, to get called by the limper before action gets to the PFR. Don't really love check raising here, but if I did x/r, I'd go bigger, like $125. This size raise generates almost no fold equity.TURN -
Thanks for sharing your thoughts across different streets.
Quick question: if you were v, how much would you call if you had QQ/JJ with one spade?
Preflop you're leaking pretty badly there calling this combo.
These lower suited Ax hands are often massively overvalue, especially at lower SPRs.
You're not going to flop well enough (ex flush over flush) often enough at all, and instead will just end up in a bunch of spots with top pair shit kicker and lose.
Even from the bb closing action we have a pretty easy fold.
As played I think if you're x/raising flop, just go bigger to then have a lower SPR on turn to shove.
Here probably still just jamming as SPR isn't too big and you can have many perceived draws and it looks like he has an overpair a lot.
No point betting turn small or checking imo as there will be some very bad action killing rivers
Thanks for the above comments. Anyone actually wanted to make suggestions on the TURN? That's the key question.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. That flop is the key question and you should have folded. If you were going to play oop, you needed to 3bet. As played, just jam the turn.
Unfortunately, you're wrong. That flop is the key question and you should have folded. If you were going to play oop, you needed to 3bet. As played, just jam the turn.
I think you meant pre-flop but you said flop? Is that a typo?
I do not think everyone should play exactly the same way. I do not plan to challenge anyone who wants to 3! Axs pf but that is not how I do it most of the time, in my local casino atmosphere (I am not even in the U.S. by the way) .
Yes preflop can be played differently, and the flop can be played differently. However, I am shocked by how many people jam this turn. I (or 90% population) never get paid by overpairs if I jam.
