2/3 Red Line??
2/3 Red Line??

2/3 Red Line??

2/3 red line??

Villain around ~25, backpack, for profit/good player, probably around top 5% of player pool, rest of table is recs with only 1 other player having 500+ and rest hovering around 300

8 handed, 500 max,

Villain has roughly ~600 and effective stack, hero has around 900

Villain opens 10 (standard RFI size) utg +1, hero next to act with A7cc mixes and 3b! to 35. Folds back to villain who calls 35

Should it be pure call for hero? Fold pre?

Flop (75)

10c9d4h

Villain check, hero 30, villain calls

Turn (135)
Js

Villain check, Hero??

17 February 2025 at 05:36 PM
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I think the 3-bet is fine, though because he is a decent player he likely has the capability to deny your equity on a lot of different textures so you may not get the chance to hit your flush. I think the play is fine just something to think about.

Flop, I'm likely just checking back here. A lot of his 3-bet calling range is going to contain a 10, QJ, or better aces than what you have in your hand, so I think you have very little fold equity in this spot on a board that he probably recognizes as good for him. I would also size down your C-Bet to something more reasonable like 25 to force him to either fold too often or x/r too often to the small size.

AP on the turn, your hand looks like an overpair or top set for value, with maybe some Ax suited with backdoors as a bluff. Once the fourth suit hits the table and it's a J, I think villain is waiting to strike with a x/r, or if he thinks you're betting too loose he might call a turn bet, and shove over the top on the river. The only problem is, checking back makes you really face up as AA, TT, or KK just doesn't check this turn back. No flush draw can come in so that huge backdoor bluff portion of your range that contains Axs is way behind him.

I think a lot of his range will want to continue even with a turn barrel and your hand has such little equity against his range you might as well just give up and try to get to showdown.


Looks good so far, assuming you checked behind on the turn.


If this guy is actually good, this whole hand is spew. You don’t need your range for 3betting an EP open from him to be so wide that it includes A7s. Folding preflop is fine.


Next street action:

I had the idea that I have some 87s, i have some KQs, KK-AA, and i can fold out A10 and some QQ by the river

Hero bets 125, villain thinks and calls

River (385)
3h

Villain checks, hero??

Should i just check give up on all non club turns? Is this just a spew


fold pre

i disagree that checking turn takes overpairs out of your range

as played i just give up


Fold pre and then it’s perfect.

Also some uniquely terrible advice in this thread. How does checking turn mean you can’t have AA or KK?


I dont mind preflop but i would check flop. For some reason c betting here looks weak especially for the size you chose maybe size it up to around 60


Preflop you can probably mix raise and fold, and also some call provided that the players still to act are passive enough (your hand plays fairly well multiway).

As played, I'd check back flop: this board favors the caller rather than the aggressor, imo.

As played flop, I'd probably check back turn and mostly give up


by matzah_ball m

Fold pre and then it’s perfect.

Also some uniquely terrible advice in this thread. How does checking turn mean you can’t have AA or KK?

My point is checking back this turn you have very little fold equity on most rivers, and you kind of need fold equity to win this pot with Ace-high.


by CallMeVernon m

If this guy is actually good, this whole hand is spew. You don’t need your range for 3betting an EP open from him to be so wide that it includes A7s. Folding preflop is fine.

The solver views A7s preflop as a mix here between raise and fold.

Since Villain is clearly a good player and Hero is IP, raising is anything but "spew, " unless Hero has terrible post-flop skills.


Think I'd mostly just flat call pre. As played pre, I'd probably c-bet flop small, like 1/3 pot, with plans to shut down on the turn if we don't pick up equity. Probably just giving up and checking back this turn, especially against a very good player. Seems like a situation where we don't really want to bloat the pot.


Mix raise or fold pre is fine ... I'd mostly lean more towards folding, in general, without reads that the rest of the table will fold enough given we almost never flop that well.

Flop bet seems slightly too big, would probably go 25 but I'd prefer 15 or 20 over 30+.

Turn sucks, you have so many better bluffs like AQo, or even AK ... also very difficult for V to have something to call on the flop and not like this turn.
Even on an A or an 8 river I'm not sure I want to value bet often.
Does he fold 98 or 88 on the turn?

River is a big problem, you have a lot of other misses that have better properties to bluff and he might well never be folding. On the other end if he turns up with AQ or 88 and wins...


Thanks for the comments

Sounds like best course of action is fold pre

Result:
I jammed river for slightly over pot and got a ~3 min tank call from AdKc, just a soul read I guess

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