"The Pen:" Live NLHE Chat Thread
It's been about 9.5 years and 350K posts of epicness, but "It Lives, It Lives" can live no more. The OG LLSNL Chat Thre
they're finally catching on to you gg
Lol, it only took 6369 hours, but closeted geenyuses like Cal and Leon have finally sprung their long con plan into action, kudos gentlemen.
Also find it ironic that my winrate to date this year is less than I would actually make working at the 7/11.
GcluelessdoomedstrategynoobG
gg,
Slansky’s (lore) and Mason’s latest small stakes book advocated overlimping KK/AA as late as even the hijack.
If you doubt either read the book then maybe they saw someone else (who did read the book) make the play and are copying their method.
gg,
Slansky’s (lore) and Mason’s latest small stakes book advocated overlimping KK/AA as late as even the hijack.
If you doubt either read the book then maybe they saw someone else (who did read the book) make the play and are copying their method.
Or if they didn't read the actual book maybe they saw the extensive thread discussing the limp KK play, in the thread about the their book in NVG 😆
gman, to get an idea of how subjective save percentage can be watch these goals and see how many weren't so much beating the goalie but just bouncing pinballs around until they hit gin
Was gonna make a topic but why are we perma betting 80% of pot on wet boards?
Why not bet 1/3 pot or even maybe 1/2 and when they ! They make their hand face up.
They are gonna ! their 2p sets and call with most combo type draws as well raise most made hands on flop no ? Isn’t betting small to gain info the best play we can make
Also checking oop even if we were 3!?
gg,
Slansky’s (lore) and Mason’s latest small stakes book advocated overlimping KK/AA as late as even the hijack.
If you doubt either read the book then maybe they saw someone else (who did read the book) make the play and are copying their method.
Or if they didn't read the actual book maybe they saw the extensive thread discussing the limp KK play, in the thread about the their book in NVG 😆
Ha, I was drawn to that book based on that KK example hand alone (a completely standard play for me as I have a 0% raising range in the ~HJ-).
Overlimping monsters preflop to *reraise* is a play as old as the hills. But the trend I'm noticing lately is overlimping monsters to then *overflat* raises with big dead money. In my example, notice how Cal and Leon didn't overlimp to reraise, they overlimped to just *overflat* a raise with multiple callers!
There's actually a HH thread on the first page where someone does this as well. At first glance, I'm pretty sure it's a horrible play with all this dead money in the pot. *But*, I will say it got the maximum out of me (whereas any standard initial raise or limp/reraise would have lost me between 0 and 1 big blind). And I've seen enough people spazz into it both preflop and postflop that I'm seriously questioning exactly how bad it is.
GcluelessoldasthehillsnoobG
Was gonna make a topic but why are we perma betting 80% of pot on wet boards?
Why not bet 1/3 pot or even maybe 1/2 and when they ! They make their hand face up.
They are gonna ! their 2p sets and call with most combo type draws as well raise most made hands on flop no ? Isn’t betting small to gain info the best play we can make
Also checking oop even if we were 3!?
I'm out of the loop on current theory discussions but I think the current trend is to bet 33% or so on all boards (with some exception for situations) to protect your range and continue to charge for equity when you have it.
There's actually a HH thread on the first page where someone does this as well. At first glance, I'm pretty sure it's a horrible play with all this dead money in the pot. *But*, I will say it got the maximum out of me (whereas any standard initial raise or limp/reraise would have lost me between 0 and 1 big blind). And I've seen enough people spazz into it both preflop and postflop that I'm seriously questioning exactly how bad it is.
GcluelessoldasthehillsnoobG
I think it's bad, not because of the exception that proves the rule here in your HH, but for the majority of other pots where you are playing OOP in a limped or raised pot and you let your opponents see three more cards for cheaper than you should have.
I think it's bad, not because of the exception that proves the rule here in your HH, but for the majority of other pots where you are playing OOP in a limped or raised pot and you let your opponents see three more cards for cheaper than you should have.
In the end, this is also my take. But I find it an extremely curious trend; as I say, I pretty much see this twice+ per session nowadays (whereas before if these hands were limped they were always reraised after callers).
GcluelesslatestthingnoobG
gg,
Slansky’s (lore) and Mason’s latest small stakes book advocated overlimping KK/AA as late as even the hijack.
If you doubt either read the book then maybe they saw someone else (who did read the book) make the play and are copying their method.
Under certain conditions that are stated in the book.
Was gonna make a topic but why are we perma betting 80% of pot on wet boards?
Why not bet 1/3 pot or even maybe 1/2 and when they ! They make their hand face up.
They are gonna ! their 2p sets and call with most combo type draws as well raise most made hands on flop no ? Isn’t betting small to gain info the best play we can make
Also checking oop even if we were 3!?
We… aren’t?
You could even go 1/4 on flop being prepared to fold to raises. If they call though, we are bombing future streets.
#theHHPwaytocrushLLNL
I'm out of the loop on current theory discussions but I think the current trend is to bet 33% or so on all boards (with some exception for situations) to protect your range and continue to charge for equity when you have it.
We… aren’t?
You could even go 1/4 on flop being prepared to fold to raises. If they call though, we are bombing future streets.
#theHHPwaytocrushLLNL
makes sense
Ha, I was drawn to that book based on that KK example hand alone (a completely standard play for me as I have a 0% raising range in the ~HJ-).
Overlimping monsters preflop to *reraise* is a play as old as the hills. But the trend I'm noticing lately is overlimping monsters to then *overflat* raises with big dead money. In my example, notice how Cal and Leon didn't overlimp to reraise, they overlimped to just *overflat* a raise with multiple callers!
There's actually a HH thread on the first page
If you never limpcall a monster to punish a back raiser then they will exploit every AAK flop in the world.
Finished the jewelry project that has been eating my life for the last six weeks!
It's a medieval Persian collar for my wife, who is getting an award for her Persian costuming, dance, and research. Her sister made the enamel laurel wreath that is the symbol of the award, and the rest was all me. Man, I'm tired.
Looks nice, Garick. Congratulations to Mrs. G.
