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Man City have set another record with 115 charges of financial shenanigans and also managed to win

01 August 2024 at 07:26 PM
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by DuckSauce m

Most anyone in the analytics community has 0 respect for that account and it's basically a narrative wind up merchant/clock bait.

xG is still easily the best predictive and descriptive stat available for team quality.

When xG was first a thing, everyone was so keen to insist that it was not for predictions, only for post match analysis.
When did that change?


by PeteBlow m

When xG was first a thing, everyone was so keen to insist that it was not for predictions, only for post match analysis.
When did that change?

I don't remember that, but this is how like literally everything in the world works. Things evolve. People learn new things, concepts get tweaked and develop.


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by PeteBlow m

When xG was first a thing, everyone was so keen to insist that it was not for predictions, only for post match analysis.
When did that change?

When people started to notice that it was the most predictive statistic out there (and yet, obviously still deeply flawed - watch the games etc.)


by joejoe1337 m

When people started to notice that it was the most predictive statistic out there (and yet, obviously still deeply flawed - watch the games etc.)

Also, aren't tools that analyze the past almost always likely to be useful to predict the future?


by TheGramuel m

Also, aren't tools that analyze the past almost always likely to be useful to predict the future?

If you''re working with a huge sample size.

The thing that I hate most about it is that it has produced the symptom of less shooting from distance. It is being trained out of players.
Why take a 0.03 xG shot when you can play another 20 passes and hopely come up with a 0.2 chance. All well and good if it happens, but we are seeing a lot more plays getting bogged down on the wings.
For me, it started with the latter Wenger years when a common compaint was that they were constantly striving for the perfect goal.


It's not only about sample size, it's also about adaptation. Once teams begin to change their method of attack a little (to account for xG?) the historic data become obsolete.

It goes back a lot further than the dreaded Frenchman, to an Englishman Graham Taylor. When they analysed goals scored in the top divisions they found that the most effective way to score was through long balls to target men. Once teams adapted to this it rendered Taylor's data redundant.


by PeteBlow m

The thing that I hate most about it is that it has produced the symptom of less shooting from distance. It is being trained out of players.

This is my main beef with it as well


by jalfrezi m

It's not only about sample size, it's also about adaptation. Once teams begin to change their method of attack a little (to account for xG?) the historic data become obsolete.It goes back a lot further than the dreaded Frenchman, to an Englishman Graham Taylor. When they analysed goals scored in the top divisions they found that the most effective way to score was through long

Ahh the old Taylor instruction of sending the left winger sprinting for kick off and hoofing the diagonal.
Watch every England game for the mid 90s and that’s what happened. Even when we had β€˜the left sided problem’.


Feels a bit weird having Villa vs Liverpool in the league at the same time Man City play Real Madrid in Spain but should be a good one tomorrow.


I was at The Etihad in August to see city play Ipswich. I thought there was zero shot Ipswich could stay up. But they aren’t drawing dead

Still play Wolves and Leicester. I sat next to a nice Ipswich family on the train back so I have a soft spot to see them survive


by PeteBlow m

If you''re working with a huge sample size.The thing that I hate most about it is that it has produced the symptom of less shooting from distance. It is being trained out of players.Why take a 0.03 xG shot when you can play another 20 passes and hopely come up with a 0.2 chance. All well and good if it happens, but we are seeing a lot more plays getting bogged down on the wings

Right they're coming up with ways of improving your likelihood of scoring. Same reasons you see more short corners etc.

A 0.2 chance is more than 6x as likely to be a goal as a 0.03 chance, of course you go for that if you understand that. Game continually evolves.


by bwslim69 m

Still play Wolves and Leicester. I sat next to a nice Ipswich family on the train back so I have a soft spot to see them survive

Was it a man and wife that were also brother and sister and their three children?


by TheGramuel m

Right they're coming up with ways of improving your likelihood of scoring. Same reasons you see more short corners etc.

A 0.2 chance is more than 6x as likely to be a goal as a 0.03 chance, of course you go for that if you understand that. Game continually evolves.

And Scott Parker has his team constantly passing it around the penalty area and recycling the ball looking for one of these higher xG chances that never comes and sucking the life out of the fans.


by Tall Paul m

And Scott Parker has his team constantly passing it around the penalty area and recycling the ball looking for one of these higher xG chances that never comes and sucking the life out of the fans.

Exactly.

TP, did I hear your name being checked on Soccer A-Z this morning?


by PeteBlow m

TP, did I hear your name being checked on Soccer A-Z this morning?

I don't know why it would be, never listened to it.


by Tall Paul m

I don't know why it would be, never listened to it.

Some other Tall Paul then!


by Tall Paul m

And Scott Parker has his team constantly passing it around the penalty area and recycling the ball looking for one of these higher xG chances that never comes and sucking the life out of the fans.

Before the rise of analytics no team ever played boring football


I like the cut of this Gasperini chap's

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by TheGramuel m

Before the rise of analytics no team ever played boring football

Yes, that's exactly what I said.


Emery is and was my favorite manager all of the time.

Although it is too bad we dont have a striker to make this really interesting

Cmon Villa I just shouted you out.


Painful watching Nunez


NEW: Sir Jim Ratcliffe has implemented a β€œzero-based budgeting” policy, in which every single item of expenditure is scrutinised in an attempt to drive down costs.

Cartons of screws are being individually counted by the group property services team at Manchester United. Meanwhile, staff have noted how the portion sizes in the canteen at Old Trafford are smaller now and there is less variety, and bulk orders of vegetables at Carrington require sign-off.

One employee joked it would be easier to β€œsmuggle drugs” than to send a letter, with envelopes scarce, stamps expensive and the emphasis very much on email.

@TelegraphDucker


This is the plan to cut debt?

These Sirs are broke aren't they? And they thought this was bringing change. Lol


Christ, looks like Sir Jim is actually a big budget Karren Brady - a good, old-fashioned, count the biscuits and tea bags CEO. This approach will definitely haul them up the table and deal with their clear problems with player recruitment that have destroyed the club over the last few years.

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