At what frequency do you call here?
At what frequency do you call here?

At what frequency do you call here?

1/3 NLHE 9 handed

Table is fairly meh. 5 loose passives and we have position on all 5 of them. V1 sat down a few orbits ago which made the game much worse.

V1 - Winning LAG. I don't want to say "good LAG" because apparently people on here get upset at that or think there's no such thing at 1/3 but whatever - he's better at poker than me. We've have probably 100-200 hours together live. He plays up to 50/100 HE and PLO. I dont know how much he beats 1/3 for, he only plays when its the only game running. He's full time for profit plays almost every day in various casinos around town. His biggest leak I can see at 1/3 is that he borders on spew when you take into account how sticky our player pool is. He over-estimates his FE and ALWAYS tries to rep "the" hand so to speak. It's at such a high frequency that he gets called occaisionally by the fish when bluffing and actually has the best hand. 35/20/15ish. Covers. UTG+1.

V2 - Unknown loose passive station. Young white guy with tattoos, nice guy. Very high VPIP. He cold called V1s 3-bet earlier OOP with 97ss and check called two barrels on 9d-4d-3h-Js-Kc when V1 gave up OTR. 800$. CO.

Hero is eff stack with 550$ OTB.

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V1 opens 15, V2 calls, H to 60 with A Q, both call. 3-way IP.

Flop 180 - J 6 6

Checks through

Turn 180 - K

Checks through

River 180 - 5

V1 leads 130, V2 folds, Hero....

17 February 2025 at 08:00 AM
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I would fold river 90% of the time. I bet turn though.


I think I'm folding 100% on the river.

What bluffs can you beat by calling? QTs, Q9s, T9s and other suited connectors. I think V might have bet flush draws and OESD on the turn.

If you raise the river, you represent KK or JJ, hands which you likely wouldn't check the turn with, given the double broadway and heart draws that you could have extracted some money from. AK just calls on the river.


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I called and he had T 7


I don't want to say "good LAG" because apparently people on here get upset at that or think there's no such thing at 1/3 but whatever.

No one says this. What we do laugh at is when you say silly things like "He's really good--he plays in Vegas, " or "He's a crusher who watches poker videos but misplays the concepts he's learning, " etc.


Opening T7s in ep isn't a winning player nor is calling a 3bet so.


i think you should bet the turn with your hand always

echoing always fondling, its fine to say people are good or bad or whatever (though i question your judgement of skill and it seems like you think too black / white). its when you just keep saying over and over multiple guys are high stakes pros yet you have played 100 hours with them at 1/3 where it gets a bit ridiculous.


I didnt say anyone was a "high stakes pro" lol god you're insufferable


Definitely bet the flop - you still have the strongest range and even when you get called we have outs as well as future bluffing cards. Turn same thing although I think this hand starts with the flop so you can put multiple streets of pressure on if needed. River is a live read play - I think he has a very narrow betting range here for value as I would expect him to check a hand like 77 and try to showdown, but based on the info you mentioned it might lead me to a call as well.


PRE - Seems fine, though if V1 is LAG, I could see just flatting with AQo, so we have some stronger hands in our flatting range getting to the flop. Sucks to 3B and get 4B with that hand.

FLOP - As played pre, I'd probably c-bet 1/3 pot or less, but checking back is fine.

TURN - With the Ah in our hand, and the BDFD appearing, we should probably bet the Kh turn. Maybe 1/2 pot.

RIVER - it's fine to fold when V takes this sizing.

If we're going to call, it would be nice to have a logically defensible reason / strat that starts on an earlier street, which says something like, "I'm going to play my hand as a bluff-catcher, checking back with some minimal showdown value, instead of turning my hand into a bluff, to let this LAG opponent stab."

Like, I'd be happy to call here if I thought V was going to open UTG1 wide, call our 3B wide, and then feel compelled to stab the river with all his air and worse AX after we check back flop and turn. I'd like it better if we at least had a pair, but AQ is the nut no-pair here, so it doesn't seem terrible.

I'd also like it better if we had some more history on V, suggesting that he'd take a check-call line on the river with A5 or 77-TT, and would be more likely to bet with zero showdown value. The problem there is that he can turn 22-44 into a bluff, and we still lose when we hero-call with AQ.

Nothing really "wrong" with our line here, if we're planning to bluff-catch this V a lot, because he'll bluff a lot. Otherwise, flatting the raise pre, flatting a flop c-bet, and then taking the betting lead on the turn (assuming he checks) would probably take the pot down a lot, without having to guess if we're ahead or behind.


Preflop you can def go bigger in future if this guy is r/call with that garbage.

Go like 5x as standard if you have some depth

As played as others have said turn bet is nice there with plan to blast river as long as their competent enough to fold some top pairs.

River I think it's a mistake to think in terms of what frequency you should be calling in this spot, or really any other spot in these games.
If we think opponent is overbluffing we call 100% with all bluffcatchers, and if we think they're underbluffing we only call with hands that beat value.

It's not about getting proper frequencies in these pools, it's about try to correctly range them and then going 100% either way.

FWIW I wouldn't bother calling this without info. He still bets into a 2 players here in a 3BP. Now that you know his hand though, we can obv adjust in the future, but issue here also is that he might be bluffing with a hand that beats you sometimes too like a low PP.


by Stupidbanana m

I didnt say anyone was a "high stakes pro" lol god you're insufferable

i mean i dont care enough to go through your past threads but this just isn't true

it also impacts the feedback you receive greatly because you get input on solver solutions vs strong regs and then you guys have calling 3bs oop in sandwich situations / low spr with t7ss or the equivalent thereof in most of your threads.


by mariano5 m

Preflop you can def go bigger in future if this guy is r/call with that garbage.Go like 5x as standard if you have some depthAs played as others have said turn bet is nice there with plan to blast river as long as their competent enough to fold some top pairs.River I think it's a mistake to think in terms of what frequency you should be calling in this spot, or really any other

Thanks. I guess by "frequency" I mean what range I'm calling with here. I know he bluffs a TON and tries to rep a lot of hands but I was just trying to think in my head what hands I would call with here. Afterwards I thought I have a lot of JXs that squeezed IP that can call like JTs and QJs, also hands like 77-99. So maybe all the A-high is too wide but nut A-high? ehhh


by Stupidbanana m

If you think he's wide enough than good Ax is fine to bluff catch with, but again the fact that he may turn some random shit pairs into bluffs sucks when we have Ahigh.

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