Top Pair on a Monochrome Board

Close between b and c. D is the worst option

I think just jamming there given we can get called with a decent amount of worse hands.

Flop would just be checking for sure though. What's the reason to want to be betting 4 way on an Ahigh mono board with just a decent top pair?
Much better to try to keep pot as small as possible imo to navigate turns and rivers IP

Im not buying it if he had the nuts he wouldve x/raised flop

C.

We’re in position let’s use it. Call and make him bluff rivers.

vs the villain as described

b.

So at the moment it's understandable that opinions are split between shoving and calling down, since calling-to-fold if we don't boat is silly, and it also seems silly to fold to the turn bet unless we're confident he rarely bets here without a made flush.

If feels like of the two options that shoving should be higher EV, in part because I assume if the river bricks and Villain checks we're almost always taking the free showdown...or are we?

OTOH, can "calling down vs. shoving" even be quantified if we don't have a very good sense of Villain's range?

I would think of it this way.

We are going broke against a current better made hand (assuming a non spade river) unimproved whether the $ goes in on the turn or river.

So against his worse value hands and his semibluffs, is it more profitable to shove or call down?

Phrased this way, it is probably better to shove now in case his naked spade semibluffs in case he decides to give up OTR.

Results

FWIW, I keep re-learning that sometimes it's better to delay aggression. Not to suggest that V would check fold to a river bet, or that we wouldn't just check back the river, but if we flat turn, V might get concerned we have him beat, so he checks river, and we either lose less when we check back on a brick, or we win when we bet thin and he folds, or we lose less if we bet small and get called. Occasionally we boat up and he check calls or just jams from up front.

Also, it seems like every time I see this check-call flop, donk turn line, it's either a nutted hand that slow played on the flop or the turned nuts. If he's doing this with JT, we have him smoked.

Just don't see the point in jamming turn with top 2P on this board when we can see the river IP and getting such a price.

You meant As, 9s, 5s, Td or As, Js, 5s, Td?? I am confused

I corrected it, and I believe it was the 9s.

We're betting to protect equity. We've got Tp and we yes don't want to inflate the pot but we also don't want to give every villain the chance to get ahead or catchup so much they can semi bluff us. I'd rather go hu to the turn and pot control there generally vs less villains when we fold them out.

Equity protection isn't really a thing here.
If they have a decent spade they're calling regardless and getting a great price, so it doesn't make much of a difference
Overvaluing hands multiway is a big leak that a lot of the pool has and we don't want to fall into this too.

Mono board 4 way with a top pair that basically only gets 1 street max isn't a spot to be betting there imo.

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I'd go with B here a lot, since villain may have worse Ax to target and looks weak.

If Hero does call, villain won't always shove river either.