GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Easier to find failures with a guy that played the most season in the league at a top level ….
That is why people should talk about accomplishments.
And even tho you don’t read and argue about what people actually says , like me about rejecting your top 10 doesn’t include Lebron argument, because you use mj for reasons I don’t grasp , I let it at that ….

Good luck .

Ps: kareem failed miserably in some years he was mvp and opportunity to win , magic too and yet they easily top 10 in your book .
Doesn’t matter if Lebron failed , he succeed far more as well ….

So Wade > Kobe.

Man, Kobe keeps slipping down the GOAT list. Must be out to 30 something now.

Remember when after a 3 game sample returning from a serious injury we concluded Lebron ruined Luka's career?

Now they just ended the Nuggets 10 game win streak on the road in Denver. In convincing fashion too. Fascinating stuff these tiny sample sizes.

Your picks for champ got blown out by the Luka/Lebron Lakers tonight. It's over.

You must be a really bad sports bettor if that's how you think.

We'll see if Luka can carry Lebron to another ring, and carry him to an even greater extent than AD and Kyrie did.. I wouldn't bet on it, even though I would for about 100 other players in NBA history - Luka, Reaves, Rui plus another top 100 player and 6-years of the league fine-tuning the most carefully-constructed cast in the league should be heavily-favored to win the title.

He could've been if he had maintained his kobe-like status as a "top dog" by not teaming up and becoming forever viewed as a sidekick.

But he should've just teamed up with Bosh (no Lebron) and gotten another FMVP in 2011.. Instead, he put his trust in the goat choker, who did what goat chokers do - bron had the goat choke and then horrific clutch efficiency for the remainder of his career.

Longevity cannot explain the losing records with every type of good team, such as 3-4 with preseason favorites, 4-6 with Finals teams, 4-7 with all-star teammates, 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds, and 3 losses with homecourt - that's the worst record with good teams of anyone ever, by far...

And we know why Lebron's skillset produces underperforming teams - his skillset turns everyone into spot-up shooter, which prevents elite roster construction and chemistry.. This is statistical fact.

Lebron is getting carried, especially against the good teams where AD carried Lebron past the 20' Nuggets and now Luka is doing the same, while Wade led the way when Lebron finally got past the Celtics in the 2011 2nd Round.

So imagine if Bird came along in 1991 and carried Jordan past the Bad Boys - Jordan simply wouldn't be goat or anywhere near, and any attempt to purport him as such would be fraud.. Lebron is infact carried in this manner, so enjoy your fraud.

Sorry, I'm confused. Is Luka good or not?

Oh, he's good when it fits your narrative, and bad when it fits your narrative.

Got it.

Imagine hoping another player can dominate so that your hero can win - the real goat doesn't need teammates to dominate to win.. The real goat doesn't ask for more help or need more stars.

Luka + Reaves + Rui + (insert top 75 player) = overwhelming favorite & dynasty

Luka + Reaves + Rui + Lebron = whimpering underdog and never dynasty

And you can replace Luka with AD and it's the same thing underwhelming team with LeCancer.

We don’t care .
Lebron did achieve success !
Lebron won more then many players in top 10 period , fact , the end .
Lebron deserve his spot regardless u like his play or not .

So many misperceptions itt

Just because I don't have Luka or Lebron in my top 10 all-time doesn't mean they aren't still great players.. But high-scoring primary ball-handlers, aka "ball-dominators" can't be ahead of the best jumpshooters or bigs, since those skillsets produce the best basketball as 1st option (dynasties and dominant champions), while also producing better chemistry and higher-assist teams that win more often.

Infact, ball-dominators NEVER win without a massive, unprecedented union of opposing franchise players, such as Luka/Lebron, or Lebron/Wade/AD/Love/Bosh... And yet they still have the lowest title frequency and weak regular season records that leads to underdog status, despite usually starting as the preseason favorite.. So their weak brand of ball causes favored rosters to fall to underdog and lose.

Ball-dominators are simply bad at chemistry (spot-up roles for teammates and low assist teams), so they don't win often enough compared to other skillsets to make the top 10 all-time.
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But Magic did team up with a Top 3 player of all time. And then had one of the greatest chokes of all time*

* Kobe still has the GOAT choke though.

Losing to the Jazz and viewing the assisted rates meant something; beating Denver means nothing. Got it.

I'm also confused about why current LeBron is being judged against being Top 10 OAT. The guy is 40 years old. He's a little past his prime. The fact he's still a Top 30 player in the league is amazing.

The fact he's actually playing after starting so young and playing so many games/minutes is amazing.

Any other assessment is terrible.

6 of the top 9 now. Still played less games than MJ.

All you do is play with numbers to prove something while using the same numbers to prove contradictory stuff with other players !
Magic lost like 4 times with arguably the second or third best ever player ……

In 1989 he was the mvp and got swept in the final !
Doesnt that almost sound like LeBron ?

In 1986 magic lost 4-1 ! Vs Houston ….while being mvp 3 nba1 and with Kareem mvp5 being nba1 too….and worthy being an mvp 12…..sounds a lot like Miami lebron but with a much better second option …..

Got swept in the final too in 1983 (like LeBron ?)

Kareem or magic never had a 3 peat , never had 1 season of 70+ win but which u blame lebron for .

The inconsistency and bad faith you argue with your bs stats you use are so shameful , I have pity you for the hate u have for lebron.

At least skip made money from it …

Oh how brilliant. If Luka plays well, then Lebron sucks for needing to be carried. If Luka plays poorly, it's Lebron's fault for being a bad fit ball dominator.

Plus MJ owns all of the bottom games in this comparison. Multiple 8 point, 6 point, 4 point games and an infamous 2 point effort.

But whatever, everyone knows age 40 LeBron > age 40 MJ and it ain’t close.

I mainly tend to stay away from these debates. For the record, MJ will always be the GOAT to me, and so I've appreciated most of your posts in favor of MJ.

But you threw it all away with likely the worst sports take of all time.

Lebron not a top 10 all-time player?

You shouldn't be allowed to post on the internet regarding sports.

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Bird's best statistical season:

1988 BIRD......... 27.8 PER (2nd).... 8.8 BPM (2nd).... 0.243 WS/48 (3rd).... 8.1 VORP (2nd)
2010 WADE....... 28.0 PER (2nd).... 9.2 BPM (2nd).... 0.224 WS/48 (3rd).... 7.9 VORP (2nd)

Lebron teamed up with the next-best player in the league after himself, which is like MJ teaming up with Bird.

Wade proceeded to carry Lebron when he finally beat his bully (Celtics) in the 2011 2nd Round.. That's like Bird leading the way when MJ finally got past the Pistons in 1991.. And this hasn't changed because 10 and 15 years later, respectively, we saw AD and Luka carry Lebron over his latest bully the Nuggets.. He's the most carried top 10 candidate ever, with the lowest title frequency and among the worst reputations and efficiency in the clutch.

This exercise has revealed another wrinkle in the numbers - a game of mostly transition will inflate the individual assisted rates.

I must admit that when I first looked up Lebron's 64% assisted rate in the last game, I was worried that Reddick was a genius that discovered a way to bring back the Karl Malone role-man position - Michael Porter Jr. or little-man Gordon aren't equipped to defend a traditional PF like that, so I thought the story would be how Reddick figured out a way to beat the Nuggets by turning Lebron into an old-school PF - no one in the league really has traditional PF's like Terry Cummings or Anthony Mason to defend big role men like Malone or Lebron.

But then I watched the highlights.

The assisted rate was mostly transition and a couple backdoor against hibernating defenders, so there was zero Karl Malone role-man stuff - I always knew Lebron couldn't play that way for big scoring games or even a measly 25 of stat-padding at the end of the game.

Essentially, this game was a massive fugazi, but the alarming thing is that nearly half of Lebron and Luka's buckets were in transition and the pace was alarmingly blazay... Re-watch the highlights of Luka/Lebron's field goals and notice now everyone is sauntering up and down the court and getting demolished in transition - it gave off slight all-star game vibes, and this happened against the Warriors recently, or Knicks and Celtics as well.. Each time the stars laid massive eggs in those games with surprising stat lines.

I honestly believe that teams are laying down for the Lakers either consciously or subconsciously because all the coverage and the entire league is about getting Lebron #5.. Players essentially obey the directive of the media, while there's no incentive/reward to beat the Lakers anyway because they won't get praised or covered - the story will be that the Lakers need more help - so again, there's zero incentive to beat the Lakers and we're seeing this play out.. This is the consequence of fraud (a fake, non-competitive league where all the best players are shoveled to 1 team and opponents basically circle that game as a giveaway).