$300 live tourney multiway spot

$300 live tourney multiway spot

600/1200/1200 level

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I open KsKc off 34k to 2.5k in EP

MP calls

BU good circuit reg calls

BB older rec calls

Flop (11.8k): 8s 5h 4d
Checks to BU who bets 8k
BB jams 21k
Hero??

18 February 2025 at 07:37 PM
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I don't like check folding here at this stage and stack depths. I think we need to be gii with initiative. I was in a similar spot recently and saw (to your flop) something similar to 99 and A8 bdfd. Also in this situation bu could be stealing and the bb could be protecting his 99 by shoving knowing that bu os stealing and you're very likely to be checking over cards multi-way.


Very tough spot. I don't think BTN will be attempting to steal much on this flop given it smacks the BB range and SB can easily have flopped a set or a pair with a gutter.

BTN can have a set or 54s two pair. BTN can also have 8Xs with a gutter or overcard.

The problem is that BB can't be on a draw really. It can be 2 pair, a set, 99 maybe TT (but I think BB jams preflop mostly with these type of hands), or again an 8Xs (like A8s). In theory BB could be jamming with 8x hands because the next card would be bad so calling sucks.

I would prefer to have bet the flop and then see two raises (then I likely fold) or a call and then a jam (which is not easy to decide what to do either).

When I call here with KK oddly I rarely win. But it is hard to fold especially because we under-repped our hand...

One of the reasons I typically call is that it tilts me really badly if I fold and would have won the hand. I never do well after that.


We got less than 3 SPR and an extremely good overpair. It's not ideal because of the nut or even outdraw possibilities, but I don't see how we can fold. We're only dead to 76s, and with the SPR going to the flop, BB should probably be getting in any 8x he gets to the flop with.

Button's stack probably matters somewhat. If button overcalls you're not feeling great-- I think that's when you're looking at two pair plus-- but this is also a bet size button would likely choose with 99-JJ, A8s, 87s. 88 probably bets smaller or checks with such a lock on the board. Maybe 55/44 bet that big, or 76s unblocking top pair.

I'd need some specific reads the players in question were tight to fold here.


Agree with other posters that we can't fold, though it's gross. BB can have 99/TT and BU can have any number of pair + draw combinations we are ahead of. We can also suck out on two pair and if it's a 3 way all in we need only about 30% equity with the dead money.


Result: I made a bad fold, BB had 98s and BU had 99


Why check flop? Unless it’s to induce this sort of spew?


by Pokerpops

Why check flop? Unless it’s to induce this sort of spew?

I usually check range multi-way from EP unless it’s a board where I have big range advantage like AKx. Sometimes I’ll deviate from that if there’s big fish in the hand but BU is a good reg and he has all the sets and the straight when I only have top set so he can put a lot of pressure on me if I stab


by Pokerpops

Why check flop? Unless it’s to induce this sort of spew?

Agree with this. I would prolly just cbet here and be willing to gii- bad luck if you run into better hand.

As hand is played: I can see why you would want to fold. Prolly drawing dead at times here to a set or flopped straight. I still think stacks are shallow enough- you just gii here and hope for the best. People will spazz overpair where and like tp like happened at times. Even a hand like 68 or 78 will be willing to go from bb in this spot.

I think if I was button, I would 3! Here and prolly fold to a 4! Jam if stacks are 30bb effective bc only run into flip/ domination with an overpair. I don’t like the flat bc it welcomes blinds to come along. If button 3! I think flatting AA or KK is good bc hand is super easy to play post and get chips in. If we just flat a 3! In this spot, I like leading super small on flop or x calling flop.

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