QQ 6-way on 864,r

QQ 6-way on 864,r

1/2 NL. I have about 370, main villain covers. Fairly new to table and no reads on villain at this point. I raise to 12 UTG and get 5 callers (yes, I know I could have gone larger). Flop comes 864,r. I lead for 30 (could check), all fold but BTN who calls. Turn is a 5 putting out a 2-flush, I check, BTN bets 60, I call. River is on offsuit 3, I check, villain bets 130, what do I do?

23 February 2025 at 11:03 PM
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I would just check the flop and see what happens.

There are some situations where you can get away from your hand (eg if one guy bets and another raises). A lot of players will also telegraph the strength of their hand depending on how big they bet - allowing you to react accordingly. Basically you get a lot more information by checking the flop.


Me, I bet a touch smaller on 864r in a pot of 72-ish. Doubt it matters. There's a gazillion callers and their range is WTF ahead of your UTG range. Jeez, I war between Check, because somebody probably has a pair + straight draw, and they won't fold. Versus our pair beats theirs: make 'em pay!

You bet 30 on flop, get only 1 caller (yay!). 132 pot on Turn 5 2-flush. X and BU bets 60. Decision-time. 8654 2-flush on board. What do you think about where you are? Are we hoping to counterfeit them? Honestly, against how face up 1/2 players are, I fold turn.

AP, they kept firing for (takes off socks) 130 into 252 on 86543? I think you're up against 2P. How many 7x do you have opening UTG? Fold.


I folded the river. Think it would have been better to check the flop. I had good results in other hands checking the flop and calling down weak bets: with KK on AAx and with AQs on 543 with bdnfd hitting a Q on the turn.

I would have called the river if I saw more of how villain played. Saw him call flop and turn on K-high board, then bet 100 into about 120 on the river which brought a 3-flush when the preflop raiser checked. Preflop raiser called after someone called the clock on him. Villain in my hand showed K9s and preflop raiser showed KQo for top pair better kicker.


The flop bet is not exciting, but whatever, idve probably bet too. As played I think call or fold on both turn and river is V dependent, but most 1/3 Vs its definitely a river fold, and probably a turn fold. I mean, what's he doing, overplaying 8x? turning a random pair or overcards he floated with into a bluff? If you can imagine V doing these things, sure maybe peel the turn.


by deuceblocker

1/2 NL. I have about 370, main villain covers. Fairly new to table and no reads on villain at this point. I raise to 12 UTG and get 5 callers (yes, I know I could have gone larger). Flop comes 864,r. I lead for 30 (could check), all fold but BTN who calls. Turn is a 5 putting out a 2-flush, I check, BTN bets 60, I call. River is on offsuit 3, I check, villain bets 130, what do

PRE - yes, raise bigger.

It's fine to be unbalanced at 1/2, where few if any opponents are going to be able to observe and remember that you raised big from UTG with a big pair, but raised a different size in a different position with a different hand, and use that info to exploit you.

FLOP - OOP and multi-way, I'd mostly just check, not c-bet.

If we're going to c-bet, I would either choose a much smaller size, or a much bigger size. Betting 1/2 pot doesn't do much to define the range of anyone who calls.

TURN - obviously this is one of the worst cards we could see, so checking is fine.

V betting 1/2 pot is interesting. I'd think most players would bet bigger for value when the BDFD appears. If we're going to call this bet, I think we need to be prepared to call most rivers when the flush bricks.

RIVER - yuck, but not the worst card.

We don't beat anything he'd be betting for value, but I'm not sure I believe that he turned a straight and bets 1/2 pot. He could be bluffing a lot when everyone folds to him on the flop, we check to him on turn, and then check again on a river brick.

Our hand is pretty under-repped. I don't love the spot we've put ourselves in, but I think I'd probably call, not fold.


Yeah, I thought afterwards the river was a call. Partly based on what I saw of villain's play. Also, he was on the button and everyone folded. Then I checked, and I doubted he had a straight. Kind of like what doc said.

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