TPTK facing xr on wet flop

Assuming a rake-pot game and effective stacks of at least 100BB, I'm usually going to 3-bet ATs on the BTN vs. a limp and a late position raiser.

How V has been playing, and the giant size of the check/raise both are telling me to fold. The only factor suggesting to continue is absolute hand value, which isn't too much of an argument.

Probably a good spot to make a tight fold.

With more depth peeling is good with the BDFD, but here it's too shallow

We don't beat value and if he's aggressive and will jam turn with draws we need to call off, so it's a very tricky spot, and probably underbluffed at 1/2

Depending on read of LP, I might 3bet this. As played, the bet is fine, but I fold to the raise. If he doesn't have us beat now, he probably has a lot of ways to improve and we have very few. Plus, he seems to be kind of tight, so ...

Bet fold.

3bet pre. Fold to the raise.

How did you get check raised by the btn?

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Grunch:

PRE - would prefer a 3B over an LP open with ATs.

FLOP - would prefer to check back with TPTK when V is somewhat uncapped, to protect our check back range.

When we bet as the field caller, savvy opponents will sometimes put pressure on us by check raising, as V does here. He can be very wide pre, and rep all the sets and top 2P here, though maybe TT is a stretch.

Since we block TT/T8, and have good equity against his range, I think we can call and evaluate turn, when we're getting over 2:1. In theory he should have some flop x/r's that give up on most turns when we don't improve. So if he fires again, I'd lean towards folding, unless he bets pretty small, or we pick up additional equity.

All that said, I don't hate jamming with our BDFD as backup equity, if we think V is capable of doing this with worse and barreling big on a turn brick.

I hope OP clarifies the flop action because I'm also confused as to how we got xr by the BTN.

Maybe this term is region specific, but in my card-room, if someone misses the blinds, or comes and sits down in the SB, they can post both blinds, and it's called "buying the button", even though the player is first to act, not literally the button.

Op: Thanks for sharing and clarifying the action. Preflop has been covered ; prefer 3b here also.

What stood out for me in your description of V is that he hasn't limped preflop in the 1 hr you've played with him. And yet, he plays relatively passively preflop from the sb/bb in this situation when he knows he will be oop mw.

H wouldn't play 88 or TT this way as described or likely ATs or JTs, all of which I think he may have 3b with preflop. That why I think we're ahead most of the time here.

I agree with Docvail's analysis overall. I would just add that failure to 3b/capping our range preflop was a mistake, as V has us in the blender now.

I'll add that the concept of x/r'ing a field better on the flop is something that Bart Hanson has discussed frequently in his videos and podcasts. The basic principle is that we're capping our range when we flat pre, such that we'll never have top set or over-pairs to the board on this T-high flop. We're pretty starved for nutted hands here.

So, when the PFR checks from MP, and a later position player stabs at the pot, a player coming out of the blinds can rep a wide range that connects with a lot of boards. Not very many low-stakes recs are capable of finding this x/r as a bluff or with worse value, but studied players can and will often enough.

If we don't 3B pre, I'd like the flop stab better if it was a rainbow board, or if we had a FDFD. With Ts and 8s spades on board, and our BDFD to go with our TPTK, I think V could have enough bluffs, and we have just enough equity to continue, knowing we can still call across some straight-completing turns when we pick up the club flush draw, and we'll be ahead of all his flopped 2P and AsXs combos on ace turns.

Results - H thinks for about 30 seconds and makes a tight fold. After playing for about another 30 minutes my name is called for a new 1/2 game, and as I get up I ask the kid about the hand. He stated he had 97ss and was most likely going to jam turn. Never got to see the cards but Im leaning he was telling the truth.