Two 4bet pots at 5/5/T

H1: I don't see the need to even go full x3 on the 4-bet. Reraising to $300 allows you to retain the initiative while folding out a lot hands that have significant equity and keeps the pot a smaller. AP, with TP/TK and an SPR =2, I'm not folding to the shove.

H2: This feels like a super-easy turn shove. I doubt passive villain is 3-betting your UTG raise with TT/66 from the blinds, and all he's done is call a 1/4 psb on a fairly dry board. Checking and then betting a brick river is more likely to get you looked up than just shoving here, which should certainly fold out JJ/AK and possibly AQ (even though I doubt he 3-bets from the blinds here with AQ).

The ace is a club in H1. So KQcc would be V’s biggest combo draw bluff to shove

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Hand 1:

Preflop size good.

Flop is too big.

Having a shoving range is pretty nonsense here. We have just enough equity to call against all combos AK+ and combo draws, and I'd weight him more toward the monster draws than the monster made hands. Like if we're in villain's shoes and have JJ, why would we take the only line that might not get AK's stack?

BTW, it's reasonably important which card is offsuit. For the above I assumed the J was offsuit, but it's really not close if the A is offsuit and would be pretty borderline if the 6 is offsuit.

Hand 2:

Betting and checking are both fine OTT. Shoving is not my preferred size unless I'm badly miscounting stacks.

Assuming we're not shoving, I tend to bet draws this strong that can stackoff against a x/shove and xb all other draws. Without reads, I'd expect population to underfold turn but might finally give up TP2K- and missed draws by the river.

You're 2k deep and out of position, so 300 isn't folding out much in my opinion, let alone a lot of hands. Sizing your 4bets 3x out of position is pretty standard when you're deep enough, I imagine.

A shove would be 2x pot. Moreover it would be 2.4k, which might be a huuuuge bet in this game. Is this a 5/5 game with an optional straddle, or is the straddle mandatory and does the game play bigger than regular 5/5? I dunno, if 2.4k is indeed huge, it probably (?) gives you more FE if he isn't nutted (I don't know if we can be sure about this, because what value hands are we realistically shoving here for 2x pot?), but I don't see him having a lot of value hands that we can be sure he's folding other than maybe JJ(/AQ?). Or are we planning to get him to fold AA/KK? I don't think so. This deep (I know it's only 300 straddles, but I tend to see it as 600bb) I'm more of a smallball enjoyer, so I'm probably just out of my element here ("Donny, you're out of your element!"), but I think I just check here and try to hit one of my 18 or so outs to (mostly) not have to fold the river to a bet, or maybe bet small again. With both checking and betting small, I think we can still rep AA/KK and bet the river if we brick and he checks. So I probably prefer checking, because I would hate to get raised/shoved on by a set.

Also, I would flat the 3bet here. A passive guy who's calling too much is now 3betting an utg raise from the big blind. When does someone like that not turn up with a very premium hand here? I would wanna call and tread lightly. I'd normally expect to be up against a very narrow range here, which got even narrower after our 4bet.

Grunch:

H1 -

Maybe this is wrong, but I suspect PLO players tend to be more gambooly, such that he's going to be calling our 4B somewhat light, fairly often.

PRE - When we're opening CO and he 3B's from the BTN, I like the 4B, but $400 seems too big, when he went more than 4x our open size. Think I might just go $250 here, to keep things from getting out of hand going to the flop.

My thinking is - he's almost never 5B'ing when he can just see a flop IP, and probably not folding much in his 3B range, so we're not making a big mistake by 4B'ing to a smaller size. If he does 5B, we can probably fold, unless he literally just min-clicks it.

FLOP - What's the other suit on board? Is it a heart? Is it AcJc6h or AcJh6c? It helps to have the suits of all three cards, so we can think about how many combos of AX he might have here, and how many club draws.

Even though we 4B pre, and we're supposed to c-bet range, I might just check here, from OOP. If I did bet, it would be really small, bordering on stupid-small, like $150.

As played, I think I might fold to the raise. Because, what's he shoving for 2x pot on the AJ6 two-tone flop in a 4B pot?

If there's no heart on board, he's free-rolling with AxKc. We lose to JJ and AJ, and occasionally A6s or 66. We're only slightly ahead of KcQc. If it's AcJc6h, I might call, but it's pretty close.

Hard for him to be making this play with just KcQc. I'd think he always has AxKc at worst, and will often have AJ or better.

H2 -

PRE - When our read is that V is passive and calls too much pre, we need to be on alert when he 3B's our UTG open, especially when he's in the BB, and can just call, closing the action. Even more especially when he goes 5x, instead of a more standard 4x.

Again, I don't hate the 4B, but why so large, when he's 5x'ing us with his 3B? That sizing could be a tell that he has a VERY big hand, especially when he's otherwise fairly passive. I think I might just flat call. But if we 4B, I think I might literally min-click it to $270, so he's forced to call with a wider range.

We're so deep - there's just not going to be much fold equity here, and we'll be IP, so I don't mind flatting. If we MUST 4B, it doesn't need to be so huge. We can put a ton of pressure on him by making him continue with more of his range when we use a smaller size. With these huge 4B sizes you're using, opponents are going to be stronger when they call.

FLOP - Welp, since we have AK, we're blocking AA/KK, and those hands probably 5B pre anyway, so I'm not loving this Q-high flop, because he'll have AQ/KQ/QQ here a fair bit.

The one thing we have going for our two overs is the NFD. It would suck if we bet and get x/r'd. I think I just check-back, or c-bet really small, like $150. If we bet small, we can probably call if he x/r's, unless he goes stupid-huge.

TURN - if I'm doing the maths right, there's around $1200 in the pot, and we have around $2400 left? Yeah, I might jam here, when he just flat calls the flop.

Think about how you'd play AA/KK here. Would you ever check back? Probably not. Would you bet small, on this two-tone, two-Broadway board? Probably not.

What we're hoping to accomplish with a jam is making V fold. He's not getting here with QQ, TT, or QT very often. I'd think he's pretty capped at AQ or worse. If he snaps us off with QQ, that's what we get for our pre-flop action.

Actually, I suppose we could bet $400 on the turn in H2, setting up a PSB shove on the river.

Which line I'd prefer is going to come down to how often we think V is just flatting flop with QQ vs how often he's folding or calling turn with AQ, and if he folds AQ to a PSB jam on the river, or calls a PSB if we improve on a K, J or club.

Think I generally prefer to just jam, when we could have as many as 16 outs if he calls with AQ, and still 12 if he has QQ. Much prefer to make him fold now, and our line seems pretty credible.

I don’t like the 4bet in hand 2

H2, you raised UTG and he went 5x from the BB. I agree the 4! is questionable.

H2, I would go significantly more than 1/4 pot on the flop with the nut flush draw.

H2, if you have bet bigger on the flop, you could maybe shove the turn. Here you are too deep, so I would check back and take a free card.