I know what they have.
I just don't know how to play it to extract the most money.
1/3 NL 8 handed.
It's been a great game. A lot of limping, some raising pre, a lot of cold calling pre. Big pots. I had a 500 stack. I had a TAG probably straight forward image.
HJ) very loose and passive. He did a lot of limping. If he raised pre it was a strongish hand...Big Ace, mid to big pair, etc. He is bad in just about every way. He donked a few times with draws. His bet sizing was always on the small size. He never folded to a raise after limping so his range is wide pre. He has a 163 stack
Button) Loud Eastern European. His pre flop raises seemed to be strong but he would downplay his raise by saying he's steaming or lets build a pot type of stuff. He was super loose pre but didn't raise a ton . He seemed to play decent post flop. He never got out of line. Pretty ABC. I did see him tank a couple times and fold on the river to a big bet. He had a 700 stack
MP open limps, HJ over limps, I decide to just limp along with 7s7c in the CO. Not a lot of folding pre. The button raises to 18, the SB calls, BB folds and the rest of us call. 5 players.
(90 in pot)....7d3c9d....Checked to the HJ who donks 15...I decide to raise and while figuring out how much I could tell the button was very interested. He seemed anxious to see how much I raised. He also stopped talking which was rare. I think I could have raised more here. I ended up raising to 60, I don't think the HJ would fold for any sizing. I was more concentrating on how I could get all of the buttons money. The button snap raised to 120, the SB and MP fold and the HJ snap gets his last 135 in.
I felt pretty strongly that the HJ had a flush draw and the button had a big pair. I think the HJ would raise 99's pre but possibly not. I think he would just check/call a 9. Two pair was unlikely combinatorically. I didn't sense the button had 99's but it was possible.
There is 315 in the pot, I currently have 420 in my stack and the button has 562. How would you proceed?
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You might as well shove here, especially since your hand isn't getting any better, and the BTN looks like he's not folding. If course, the BTN could certainly have 99, but you don't limp-call with 77 in order to fold after you flop middle set on this board.
Jam or call both seem appealing.
You might as well shove here, especially since your hand isn't getting any better, and the BTN looks like he's not folding. If course, the BTN could certainly have 99, but you don't limp-call with 77 in order to fold after you flop middle set on this board.
A real pro would turn quads tho
Welp this is about as good of spot as you hope for with 200ish bb in a 1-3 game. Shoving could really only do harm if you think button has JJ or QQ. He likely isn't a thinking enough player to figure out something very transparent but might get scared off by the idea of shoving nearly his entire stack in he's worked so hard to get. I think you can safely make it 250 to go and he's at least calling and then he's hooked for the last 200 because on the turn the pot will be so big. I suppose a fd could hit and it might worry him a bit but there's too much in the middle.
I think it's very close between..
min raise (for the record i hate min raises generally)
If we pick up a tell that the BTN is interested and possibly planning to raise, I'd just flat, and let him raise, then put in a big back raise, or just call and go for a check raise on the turn.
As played, jamming now looks super strong. If we think BTN has an over-pair, just call, with plans to check-jam turn when he bets again.
It's a disaster if BTN makes a hero fold and HJ makes his flush.
I'm cool with preflop.
I probably raise more on the flop and there's probably an argument for just shoving against the shorty if we feel he's never folding.
In an SPR 5 pot I'm guessing we just can't fold the second nuts, although Villian's flop line is insanely strong. If we reraise, we can't possibly be bluffing due to the pot being protected. A 4bet on the flop in LLSNL, let alone in a protected pot, is insanely strong; could he get away from AA here? Although there are some action killing cards, I think I would flat and probably lean to check/shoving non-scary looking turns.
GcluelessNLnoobG
Played fine. Just shove now. Make him think you are on a draw. If you call and a scare card comes, it could slow you both down. If BTN has 99, it's a cooler.
HJ sounds like everyone I play against 😉
I ended up shoving the turn. The button tanked for about 2 minutes and folded. The turn was a 7 giving me quads. I'm quitting my job and going pro.
The button said he folded KK's.
The HJ had a flush draw. My quads held.
If I had just called the HJ all in I would have taken the rest of the buttons money and I would have won a 500 high hand. As played, the hand ended about 2 minutes too early. Somebody had 7777K and I had 77779 with 2 minutes left. If I would have check/tanked on the turn until the current high hand time had run out would that be considered a slow roll? 500 dollars is life changing money.
I'm cool with preflop.I probably raise more on the flop and there's probably an argument for just shoving against the shorty if we feel he's never folding.In an SPR 5 pot I'm guessing we just can't fold the second nuts, although Villian's flop line is insanely strong. If we reraise, we can't possibly be bluffing due to the pot being protected. A 4bet on the flop in LLSNL, let
I think raising bigger on the flop was the play. If I make it 100 the button might still min raise and would be more likely to call a shove with more money in the pot. As played, I do like just flatting the HJ all in and then check/shoving the turn. I can see getting away from KK's given the strength I have shown especially in the protected all in pot. At the time I didn't think he would fold a big pocket pair since most people in my games wouldn't. Was this a good fold in theory from him? Does his decision change if he had the Kd?
If I did just call the flop all in what should be our play if the turn was 2d? How about a Kd?
If we call the flop and a blank comes, I'd continue with my plan of repping the draw and check, where he'll likely bet large to protect against the draw and hopefully commit enough to call our check/shove.
If a draw completing diamond comes in, I think we're forced to donk the turn. He's just going to always check this card back and we don't want to give a free card to an overpair + diamond. I'd probably go like 1/2 PSB to hopefully eke out a call from these hands.
GcluelessNLnoobG
I'm sorry, did you say you shoved the turn? When you caught the case 7? So presumably you called flop at the decision point?
Or did you shove flop and V folded? I don't see the point of ripping it when the board pairs, we're OOP, V is a bit aggro, and we've one more street to go.
Also, and I don't mean to be rude, if 500 is life-changing money, perhaps playing cards needs to wait until your roll is bigger? Downturns happen. If you're using hyperbole, apologies. Hard to read tone in text.
Edit: on the flop, I'd just treat a bet like 15 into 90 as a check. Do whatever you were going to do anyway, whether that was bet some % of pot or go for the x-r.
