turning disguised 2p
turning disguised 2p

turning disguised 2p

hh:

$5/T/Q $5.2k eff
CO $75, Hero squeeze $375 As4s STR, call
($750) flop 10s8h4d
x, Villian $200, Hero r $725, call
($2.2k) turn Ah
Hero $900, call
($4k) river 2c
Hero jam $3.2k

notes: was about to be in murky, murky waters but we found the A ott. sure, sometimes we run into Ad10d / Ac10c, Ac8c, 88, & 10s (11 combos) but our hand still makes for a fine turn barrel and thin river jam, right? How frequently do we want to squeeze STR in practice (80%-ish?) and, more importantly, how do we construct a balanced x/r flop strat on this flop texture? For instance, does As4s function better as a bet, x/call, or x/raise? What are the implications of bluff-raising flop? Very much knew when I was called, my 4 is no good… was prepared to simply button click and triple it off. Clearly, an offsuit 7 or 9 is a better card for CO’s range…. but, do we keep foot on the gas on a, say, 3d turn? Looking for notes on how to play range / flop strat, 200bb eff here and any guidance on how to continue on future streets.

cheers,
ring

07 March 2025 at 11:46 AM
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OP: Can you clarify preflop action please? Were there any callers between the CO $75 and H in the straddle? Thanks!


I presume there was a flat after the CO raise (hence the large squeeze)?m

I prefer cbetting this flop and barrelling turns that improve our equity. I would rather c/r fat value and higher equity draws.

AP a double c/r on this turn may be sexy.

V’s turn call prob caps him. I presume he’d raise sets at this point on Ahigh board with H’s show of strength.

Any reads on V? River is prob a value jam as played. Only natural bluff combos are J9hh, QJhh, 97hh.


I think I like a x/c on flop. People think flop x/r are fos.
I rather you cbet then x/r turns, many opponents who are a bit aggro like to float flop wide and bet when checked to with their whole range. Passive villain only bets with decent hands on turn, we can give up unimproved easily then.

I think x/r bluff works better w/KQ JQ type hands. We have some sdv. We can also x/r overpairs+sets for value.

As played bet a lil bigger on turn so river shove looks smaller?


no calls from BTN - BB pre


by ringring088 m

no calls from BTN - BB pre

So this was not a squeeze from hero, but simply a three bet. If so, I think it’s too large.


by ringring088 m

no calls from BTN - BB pre

Three-betting x5 feels excessive. Also, the flop checkraise feels like button-clicking, since you're basically representing sets or an OESD. Is the excessive PF raise and the flop c/r how you would really play a big PP?


eh, 5x pre flop is standard from the blinds 200bb deep.

I think I would x/r JJ+, yes


If in your game people are 3-betting x5 from the blinds 200BB deep even in straddle pots, then OK.

I'm assuming you're just thinking out loud about a sexy flop c/r range here, since wanting to c/r JJ+ here in addition to c/r all sorts of thin semi-bluffs like bottom pair w/BDNF would be a huge leak, since you would be going for the checkraise here WAY TOO OFTEN, especially as the preflop 3-bettor.


It might be slightly different in a solved 3 blind structure, but I think preflop is fine.

200bb deep in a two blind game.
But SB vs. CO and SB vs. HJ they are opening to 2.5x and SB 3bets to 5x.

But if CO/HJ open BB calls a _lot more_ (in general, A5s/A4s are pretty close to the same frequencies) but then when it does 3bet it's to 6x.

Being 3 blind CO should be tighter, but I wouldn't be shocked if the straddle 3bet size was 6-6.5x.

Saying that flop looks bad, you do have backdoor flush but that's about it and you have showdown value which makes it this weird spot where you might be ahead when called but are still OOP and can be bluffed off the best hand later.

I think turn size should be bigger, esp. on this card where even though you said it's "disguised" if V somehow has T8 they aren't going to be happy but the J9/97/QJ type hands are fine with it as cheap as possible but aren't folding.

River I'm not sure if you have worse for value, and also not really sure what worse is calling you...

JJ? A7s? AJs/A9s (only 2 with BDFD) ? AK (even if V calls it preflop as much as he should, flop seems weird). T8s is only two combos.


PRE - If no one else is involved pre, I think it's fine to just flat from the straddle with suited wheel aces. If we want to raise, 4x seems fine. 5x seems a tad large.

FLOP - I don't mind checking range from OOP here. Also wouldn't mind a small c-bet. Don't really see the point in check raising, unless we think V is calling too wide pre, and over-stabbing. If that's our read, I guess it's okay.

TURN - think we might actually go for the double check raise here on the Ah. If we're going to barrel, I'd think we'd want to go a little bigger, to charge V more to see the river, and set up a lower SPR jam.

My thinking is that V is going to have a lot of AT/A8 in his range that will just call now, and not much AA/T8. We can rep all the sets and 2P pretty credibly here, and really put him in the blender with his entire range.

When we x/r flop and barrel turn for such a small size, he can flat with everything and we're left guessing on most rivers. So if we take this line on flop, I think we can check again on turn, to either check raise, or just donk most rivers if he checks back.

RIVER - honestly not sure about the best play now. Hard for V to have many worse hands that will call a jam, when we're repping so strong from the flop. Think I might block bet, for like $1k. What bluffs do we have that take this line?


Preflop: I prefer to just call closing the action. I would only be squeezing loose CO V here. Still seems large to me.

Flop: I would rather xr here with air than with some equity. V has range advantage on this board I think.

Turn: H goes from polar line to value line, which makes some sense given that the Ah is H's range card. I don't think we need to go larger. We have compressed V's range and he has already folded stuff like QJs and broadway hearts on flop. I don't want to fold his weaker Ax.

River: H has totally compressed V's range on two streets, so the brick doesn't change much. I would bet smaller to get value from AK/AQ or Ahxh. V may not raise his 88 for fear H has TT/AA. This saves us $2K sometimes.

The jam makes little sense to me, as V is not folding AT getting 2-1 and blocking both sets. Agree with Illiterat: not sure what worse is calling jam.


NH

If I'm being picky, flop sizing is a bit bigger than optimal. I prefer 1/3p, which happens to be 3x here. Also don't know if hand selection is exactly what a solver would've picked or whatever, but people don't find enough x/rs here (esp against this sizing) and the hand selection is reasonable enough that I think it's good in practice.

Turn and river are 🎯


Anything from 4x to 5x is fine pre.

I use 4x but know plenty of people who use 5x.


by RaiseAnnounced m

Turn and river are

Are what?


by RaiseAnnounced m

NH

If I'm being picky, flop sizing is a bit bigger than optimal. I prefer 1/3p, which happens to be 3x here. Also don't know if hand selection is exactly what a solver would've picked or whatever, but people don't find enough x/rs here (esp against this sizing) and the hand selection is reasonable enough that I think it's good in practice.

Turn and river are 🎯

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