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Oh look, Luciom having no idea what the hell he is talking about again. Or just straight up lying.

Ianal and Iani, but perhaps intent matters and though not something that's easy to prove, this may still be illegal. I guess it'll do, but you should have shown defiance and just gone outside.

Yep. Worked in a hospital during the height of COVID. Crap like that is infuriating to read.

conspiracy YouTube my ass, for the USA you can check the CDC data yourself, it's uncontroversial

Sounds like some very stupid and shallow analysis of what was overwhelmed or not. Beds being free in one venue doesn't necessarily mean they are able to treat COVID patients.

Luciom,

I can't speak to Italy, or even to all areas of the United States. But I can assure you that this is not an accurate description of NYC during the worst period.

There is no data from the CDC that supports your lies.

I've seen these dfs claim there were physical beds empty so they were not full. It's not the bed you absolute infant, it's everything else, mainly the doctors and nurses. Good lord, we could have like infinite beds, but beds don't do anything by themselves.

So stupid.

We were regularly sending people out of state because we couldn't take them. I remember a couple of really bad months where we just had to send people back home. There not only was nowhere in our hospital, there was nowhere anywhere.

who said "the worst period"? check yearlong from the first COVID case, total hospital occupancy rate, then the year after, in the CDC database.

ofc there were brief moments of excess demand. and they happened with lockdowns ongoing anyway lol.

what's the claim, that they would have happened more often? then why didn't that happen more often in Florida when they reopened?

He might just be making it up or lying, but something like an orthopedic surgery clinic may have been closed, at least to non-urgent procedures, because they wanted to keep that facility from spreading COVID. But does that mean they can just take COVID patients? Probably not.

Definitely this. Physical beds is a dumb metric, and when I said that his statement wasn't true w/r/t to NYC, I was referring to what he was implying -- namely that stories about strain on the healthcare system were some sort of hoax.

ok so at least we can admit hospital beds were actually emptier than average? that was the claim I was attacked for, and it was true.

total hospital occupancy rate? LOL. Luciom that isn't the issue. It's THE COVID UNITS BEING OVERWHELMED. That isn't the whole hospital you toddler. Stop talking about crap you have no idea about.

No, Luciom. The claim is that the health care system was stretched to the max because of covid. No one cares about the PHYSICAL BEDS. jfc

Sure. That all makes sense. And non-urgent procedures most definitely were delayed.

might be "dumb" but at least it's a number I can check and discuss about instead of "vibes" or "war anecdotes" .

the hoax was that lockdowns helped with the brief moments of excess demand.

and the other hoax was to imply that we don't have those events (brief peaks in demand where we have to put people in the corridor on beds and stuff) regularly anyway in flu season.

the hoax was grotesquely exaggerating lockdown contribution to avoid those brief spikes (that happened anyway *under lockdown* and didn't otherwise lol) , grotesquely exaggerating their negative externalities (we have them recurringly and we cope fine) , and claiming that we risked having them again after 2020 if we didn't forcibly "socially distance" (it never happened anywhere anymore even where they reopened everything)

Cool. You can check and discuss a meaningless number. And get everything wrong as a result. But at least you are able to participate instead of stfu and staying in your gd lane.

And flu season is NOTHING like covid was.

you are a parody of yourself.
how do you manage to surpass yourself post after post?
If you were in power, you would have shot yourself .

You've repeatedly proven you haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about, so your claims of something being a hoax are LAUGHABLE at best, and stupid and insulting in reality.

I honestly wonder if you have a humiliation kink.

which was a disastrous mistake.

and healthcare workers were so occupied with mass cases of COVID they managed to stage organized dances and record them for the world to see how much work they had to do.

jfc

You imbecile, do you think everyone in a hospital works with the covid patients? Like do you seriously not understand how effing stupid you sound?

that's not what the bed occupancy count tells us

Luciom I appreciate that you are always willing to engage and sometimes have an interesting perspective. I don't get why you always jump into this antiscience and healthcare bullshit. What's the logic that leads you to believe that all of these covid policies have any malicious intent? It's pretty obvious to me that they have clear reasoning and were done to save lives. None of these led to sustained "power grabs" or "left wing authoritarianism". If anything they took a huge political hit to try and protect against the worst case scenarios playing out. They did the right thing at a cost...a cost which is now fueling right wing authoritarianism really.

Neat! The bed count! Glad we have you on the case to disregard literally everything else except how many physical beds there are and tell us that what we experienced first hand is wrong.

lololol I'm serious about the humiliation kink. It is the only explanation that makes sense at this point.