Jesus Became God. Why?
There have been many in this world who have desired to become a god, but they did not.
Jesus had the same desires as any
You don’t realize what you’re saying. If Jesus didn’t BECOME God, then you and your loved ones have zero chance of ever entering into eternal life in the kingdom. As a fallen being, how are you expected to unify your story with the story of a perfect being who can never fall. Those two cannot reconcile together.You can only unify with Christ’s story, and
Look, why can't you just say "live your life like Christ"? You're adding all kinds of kooky language as well as gnostic ideas. We aren't "unifying our stories"...where did you get this silly language?
Of course there's truth in Christ always being God BECAUSE HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOD. This isn't allegorical. He's perfect because He's God. He CANNOT not be perfect. Christ is the LOGOS. Truth isn't a concept. Truth is literally a PERSON...Christ. He created the universe and every one of us.
Jesus Christ is second person of a trinitarian Monarchical Godhead. Three distinct hypostasis sharing the same essence and will. The Father being the sole cause of the Son and Holy Spirit, but all equally coeternal and all EQUALLY God. That's the nuts and bolts of it. You seem to have a grasp on what it takes to achieve salvation but you gotta drop all the woo woo rhetoric. You're not going to convert anyone sounding like hippie shaman on ayahuasca.
And yes, I'm Orthodox.
Look, why can't you just say "live your life like Christ"? You're adding all kinds of kooky language as well as gnostic ideas. We aren't "unifying our stories"...where did you get this silly language?Of course there's truth in Christ always being God BECAUSE HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOD. This isn't allegorical. He's perfect because He's God. He CANNOT not be perfect. Christ is the LO
No. I’m not going back. People like you are to evolve.
Stop being afraid and believe what is written on your soul. Or don’t.
All of this is true. Jesus is a bridge to the soul. Son of God = soul.
The entirety of creation is for the purpose of the soul (only begotten son).
Is your soul perfect? Yes. But also no. But also yes.
No no no.
Christ is not a bridge to the soul...wtf are you talking about? We are each made up of a soul and body. You cannot be a person without both. When we die an earthly death our body is separated from our soul until the resurrection. Every person that ever existed will be resurrected.
And no my soul is not perfect. Soul isn't some magical thing that is perfect at all times. We can have darkened souls.
And the Son of God is most certainly NOT the soul. That's complete nonsense.
No. I’m not going back. People like you are to evolve.
Stop being afraid and believe what is written on your soul. Or don’t.
How high are you? Going back to what?
Christ is written in our hearts. That's our conscience. Christ is the only reason humans innately know right from wrong. And yes, I believe in that.
This is why the Non-Christian is necessary. So many Christians are going to be stuck.
The Non-Christian is needed to become a brother to the Christian, go out ahead, and prepare the path.
You don’t realize what you’re saying. If Jesus didn’t BECOME God, then you and your loved ones have zero chance of ever entering into eternal life in the kingdom. As a fallen being, how are you expected to unify your story with the story of a perfect being who can never fall. Those two cannot reconcile together.You can only unify with Christ’s story, and become perfect, if he u
Are you being religious right now? Can you separate religion from reality? Is there any difference between the two?
How high are you? Going back to what?
Christ is written in our hearts. That's our conscience. Christ is the only reason humans innately know right from wrong. And yes, I believe in that.
There are billions who never heard of Christ and most had plenty of inner ideas about right and wrong.
There are billions who never heard of Christ and most had plenty of inner ideas about right and wrong.
Yes. In the New Testament it states many times that Christ is written in man's heart. That's where we get our sense of right and wrong. Those how cannot come to know Christ can still live a Christlike life and will be judged accordingly. Every human knows inherently that beating a child or raping a woman is bad. Without God to give us a conscience we'd just kill each other willy nilly.
Heathens: Lord, we are just simple beings and not intelligent enough to deal with an abstract entity and don't understand hardly anything you are trying to say.
GOD: OK, I'll send a real-life person, call him my son, down to earth to show you how to believe, pray, and live your lives in a holy manner. You will see him perform miracles and be loving and kind, just like I want you all to be. All you have to do is follow his example.
Heathens: Brilliant! We shall await his arrival and let HIM show us the way! Thank you, Lord, you are wise and wonderful.
GOD: Hey, what happened to my son?
Heathens: We killed him. Sorry.
Heathens: Lord, we are just simple beings and not intelligent enough to deal with an abstract entity and don't understand hardly anything you are trying to say. GOD: OK, I'll send a real-life person, call him my son, down to earth to show you how to believe, pray, and live your lives in a holy manner. You will see him perform miracles and be loving and kind, just like I want
Stretch your faith.
Christ dying is God showing us how the story goes and showing us the way.
Death is a prerequisite for renewal.
You can’t attempt to use rationality to grasp a truth which is trans rational. Rationality cannot judge perfection. Perfection judges rationality.
Are you saying using irrationality would bring even more success?
If you can’t judge perfection or cant even recognize it , how do you know it’s perfection then ?
believing in a perfection doesnt make it so but it sure can lead you into an non perfect vision of the world by following a wrong path.
Truth seeking will take you beyond the known, beyond the boundary of rationality, into the chaotic unknown.
If you canÂ’t judge perfection or cant even recognize it , how do you know itÂ’s perfection then ?
A perfect being can recognize and judge another perfect being. Even though perfection is hidden from your rationality, you can recognize and judge it through your own seed of perfection.
Still, it follows that your rationality is blind to the seed of your perfection. Meaning, your seed of perfection doesn’t lie in the known but rather in the chaotic unknown. You have to decide it exists even though you can’t see it. Deciding it exists and pursuing it means going into the chaotic unknown.
This is a belief you have, which is in direct opposition to a truth claim made by Christ. Underestimate subjectivity at your own peril.
but it sure can lead you into an non perfect vision of the world by following a wrong path.
If you cut yourself off from risk, then you cut yourself off from life.
Entry into the chaotic unknown is guarded.
It’s guarded by fear. It’s guarded by beliefs. It’s guarded by God himself.
You must develop and prepare yourself in the known before you will be capable of penetrating the unknown.
There have been many in this world who have desired to become a god, but they did not.
Jesus had the same desires as any other human and the same ability to either identify or de-identify with those desires.
So why him?
He explained why two thousand years ago with three words:
Spoiler
I desire mercy.
craig1120:
Jesus is a lesser god, just as people in positions of power are considered gods. However, he is not Almighty God.
The prehuman Jesus started off as a spirit creature, an angel. The angels are also referred to as gods in the Judeo-Christian Bible.
Alter2Ego
Look, why can't you just say "live your life like Christ"? You're adding all kinds of kooky language as well as gnostic ideas. We aren't "unifying our stories"...where did you get this silly language?Of course there's truth in Christ always being God BECAUSE HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOD. This isn't allegorical. He's perfect because He's God. He CANNOT not be perfect. Christ is the LO
BGnight:
The word "Trinity" is nowhere to be found within God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. The word "godhead" is a fabricated word that was inserted into later English translations of the Bible.
Alter2Ego
craig1120:
Jesus is a lesser god, just as people in positions of power are considered gods. However, he is not Almighty God.
The prehuman Jesus started off as a spirit creature, an angel. The angels are also referred to as gods in the Judeo-Christian Bible.
Alter2Ego
You claim that God wasn’t / isn’t in him at all?
Not even a speck? Not even a (mustard) seed?
Did he have a soul? Is there any amount of God in the soul?
You claim that God wasn’t / isn’t in him at all?
Not even a speck? Not even a (mustard) seed?
Did he have a soul? Is there any amount of God in the soul?
Discuss reality, please. Is that too much to ask? Yes, of course it is. For religion we need saviors and demons and supernatural forces and supernatural souls ... you know, the ones they believed in in the 1st Century. They had things figure out.
Discuss reality, please. Is that too much to ask? Yes, of course it is. For religion we need saviors and demons and supernatural forces and supernatural souls ... you know, the ones they believed in in the 1st Century. They had things figure out.
Which lasts longer - the physical world or the soul?
BGnight:
The word "Trinity" is nowhere to be found within God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible. The word "godhead" is a fabricated word that was inserted into later English translations of the Bible.
Alter2Ego
What English translation(s) do you personally use and/or recommend? Thanks.
Everybody be on your P's and Q's about religion on here. We have a guy who knows the mind of god very intimately. He doesn't tell us how this came about -- just sort of arrogates it to himself a "like duh obvious" -- but I think it is incumbent on us to have faith that he is hearing directly from god almighty (of course unlike the millions of others who have arrogated this ability to themselves). It's almost like there is some narcissistic need in some people to play that role.
