GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Why do you write the same post twice and then delete one?

- there is no 10 criteria …there is one -> WINNING!
Who the fack cares how it looks the style LeBron plays , Lebron won has the best players 4 times .
More then any of your theories about about a players should okay beside mj .
Case closed

- if that is so , awards, accomplishments and stats means nothing to declare who’s goat (which isn’t what I’m arguing about , I’m arguing top 10 lol..) it is,
Well so are your ridiculous arguments buddy …

- tons of guys ?
Who else , you still missing 5 players …!!

Kobe , Kareem only had 2 has best players btw but doesn’t matter ….
HERE we come at the situation …. You said Lebron only 3 times the best players not 4 for the rings wins ?
Ok based on what criteria ???? show it to me !
Which year you believe LeBron didn’t deserve the mvp final and why ?
Then will go check with all the other top 10 and compare !!!

Bad deflection.. Respond to the point that high-scoring primary ball-handlers (ball-dominators) like Lebron have abnormally-low assisted rates for their position that reduce teammates' assist opportunity and cause lower assist teams over time..

And Lebron has the lowest assisted rates EVER for his position (lowest-ever for a forward, by far), so teammates see their assists crater.. The resulting low assist teams caused deficits in team assists for every playoff loss of Lebron's career..

So we've statistically-proven that low assist teams is the Achilles' heel of Lebron's game - we've solved it.. And by reducing everyone's assists and turning them into spot-up shooter, Lebron prevents elite roster construction, young player development, and chemistry, so he can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, and rarely wins regardless of cast (never a great team).

Ok so this is only your 2 arguments ? Ppg during regular season and entire playoffs ?
That’s funny because half the time you only focus on the final stats , never on the entire playoffs ( because here vs AD lebron crush AD offensively lol …) .

So just to make sure -> only those 2 criteria ?

Ps: I let u even off the hook the lebron got more defensive rebound and same amount of steal …

Btw -> Again Kareem , bird not 3 times …only twice mvp final
But if it’s only the 2 criteria confirm it please then we can talk !

AD was the best player in 2020 because he led the Lakers on both ends of scoring and defense, while carrying the Lakers over Jokic and getting a 2-0 lead in the Finals

so what's your argument for Lebron in response???... Are you going to argue that the opinion of Rachel Nichols on 1 series (fmvp) matters more than AD actually performing as the best Laker all year?

So again, AD was the best player in 2020 based on everything we normally use to decide, such as leading both ends of the floor or dominating the most important series (Jokic) and hitting the legendary shot... smh

And again, it's called "quality over quantity" - Kobe's 2 chips without a player averaging 19 ppg while defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load) is better than any of Lebron's chips with equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention and franchise players as teammates.. Kobe's ability to carry the "star" category of scoring MATTERS, since it allows winning with less stars and allows more room of the GM to find defensive help.. That's why Kobe won with less and that's why Lebron stinks compared to Kobe.

I showed an example of a player that changed his game to adapt to the situation and you spewed terrible dribble that you always do.

When Steph does it (drops below 40%). Wow amazing. Totally normal. When SGA/LeBron do it. OMG worst thing ever.

So Steph is a point guard, but SGA, LeBron, Luka aren't? Tell me you don't watch basketball without saying you don't watch basketball.

You and Matt cannot refute the points being made, so you try to introduce bad arguments that I never made, so you can try to win.. It's pathetic, so I guess I'll just keep reiterating my winning and unrefuted arguments.

We aren't talking about just winning a single title - we were never talking about that, yet you've reduced the bar to this level because your guy can't clear the higher bars set by his peers that I've been pointing out to you...

Specifically, the higher levels of basketball achievement that I've been specifying for hundreds of pages and that you have not refuted are winning with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, or producing the best basketball as 1st option (dynasties or dominant champions) - these top accomplishments have never been achieved by 1st options with career assisted rates below 40% (primary ballhandlers), such as Luka, Lebron, SGA, Harden, Lillard, Wall, Trae and many more.. And again, primary ballhandlers are the only player-type with career assisted rates below 40%, so 40% is the accurate cutoff that describes the skillset that can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, or produce the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion)...

But again, it's the career rate that describes a skillset, so one-offs like Curry's low end being 35% (still high for a PG) mean literally nothing - it's irrelevant other than to show that Curry's low is 35%, which is impressive and high for his position, and therefore supports everything I've said about him.

SGA is a point guard but his assisted rate is 25%, which is abnormally-low for point guards.

Meanwhile, Lebron's assisted rate is 30-45%, which is abnormally-low for forwards (ridiculously-low).

These abnormally-low assisted rates for their position reduce teammates' assist opportunity and cause lower assist teams over time... Low assist teams are the Achilles' heel of Lebron's career, since every playoff loss of his career shows deficits in team assists.

Otoh, Curry's low end for assisted rate is 35% (49% career average) - this is really high for a point guard, which will increase teammates' assist opportunity and allows winning with normal rosters of 1 franchise player or the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions).

Once again, tell me you don't watch basketball without telling me you don't watch basketball.

So, say we officially named LeBron a point guard you would all of a sudden say it's okay?

1) we can't call him a point guard if he starts at forward because his point guard style in the frontcourt created 2 point guard lineups - so that means 2 guys with higher hold-times and lower assisted rates, which gives teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in normal 1 point guard lineups.

2) even if he started at PG and won (like 2020), he still can't win as 1st option with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, because no primary ball-handler ever has (no 1st option with career assisted rate below 40%)

3) he still can't produce the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion) because no primary ballhandler ever has (no one with a career assisted rate below 40%)

again, this is why the entire primary ballhandler skillset is out of my top 10... most dynasties or dominant champions don't have a point guard or low assisted role AT ALL, such as the Warriors, Bulls, or recent Nuggets & Celtics... And certainly no high-scoring PG's (Spurs).
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Given Lebron's size, where are his 1-step overpowerings of paint defense:

Still better then Shaq, Kareem ,that never won a ring with a normal roaster , hell shaq got swept many times with great teams and lost in 2004….

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List of players with career assisted rates of below 40% (primary ball-handlers) that won titles as 1st option with normal rosters of 1 franchise player or without a franchise player as a teammate:

CONCLUSION: 1st options with career assisted rates below 40% (primary ballhandlers), such as Luka, Lebron, SGA and others, have never won with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, or produced the best basketball as 1st option (dynasties or dominant champions).. And again, primary ballhandlers are the only player-type with career assisted rates below 40%, so 40% is the accurate cutoff that describes the skillset that can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, or produce the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion).

It’s funny you think all the evidences turns right for you when they actually get destroyed every time lol …

Shaq and Kareem fulfills the other criteria of producing great teams (dynasties or dominant champions), and also great chemistry by being highly-assisted players that produced higher-assist teams.

That's 2 of the 4 criteria (great chemistry and great teams), so it doesn't matter that neither won with normal rosters of 1 franchise player, or that neither carried the scoring load (oh wait.. shaq did)..

2 of 4 criteria for shaq/kareem > 0 of 4 for lebron

Here's a few facts from the statistical and historical record:

* High-scoring primary ballhandlers (ball-dominators) increase everyone's assisted rate (spot-up role), which reduces their assists - this causes low assist teams and team assist deficits in every playoff loss of Lebron's career.. Therefore, the imposition of spot-up roles and the resulting low assist teams are the weakness of Lebron's game.

* Since Lebron turns everyone into spot-up shooter, he prevents elite roster construction, young player development, and chemistry - he has a long list of bad fits and zero teammate development in 22 years (AD arrived the same time as Reaves and then led Lakers in scoring for 2020 title season, so he developed Reaves, and that's the only possible example)

* Players with below 40% career assisted rate (primary ballhandlers) never won as 1st option with normal rosters of 1 franchise player or without a franchise player as a teammate, while also never producing the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion)... This is why the primary ball-handler skillset isn't in my top 10 and doesn't appear in my rankings until 11, 12 and 13 (Magic, Lebron, Oscar)

You are all over the place .
Was AD better in the final ?
Jokic wasn’t in the final vs jokic and ok 2-0 , AD got 2 good game so what ?
In almost all game Lebron had way more assist and defensive rebound ?
That is just 1 series shrug
When down tit count the final or the entire playoff ?
Choose please ….

Because if it’s the entire playoffs u just lost !!!
Lebron during 2013 playoffs dominate and led his team in scoring by 10 pts ….
With more drb , trb, assist too
Ian that leasing a team to a ring ?
The necessary “criteria u need ?

If it’s only the final the you lose !
Lebron was better and leading scorer than AD …

- ok so now winning doesn’t matter anymore ?
Bringing Kobe only twice being the better player ?
Again how is LeBron not bringing all the focus on him by scoring when he dominate in 2013 by pts dwade ??

The only thing you prove is :
Lebron finds a way to win in any situation possible !
More then once !
That is why the amount of winning is important !!!
You can play great and lose but you can’t hardly always play bad and win so many times like LeBron .…..that is why only mj did won more and u can not find 9
Others players …
So as your insane take About magic …

So you're asking what's the value of AD getting a 2-0 lead in the Finals??... How about an 80% chance to win at that point based on history and massive odds in their favor too???.. Plus he already turned around a lottery team and beat Jokic to make the Finals, and then carried the defense for the rest of the Finals after securing the 2-0 lead.

The Heat were also decimated by injury, so why are you getting worried about injured opponents like the 20' Heat or 18' Celtics to give Lebron more credit, but then you say that 15' Finals was automatic so that Curry gets no credit and has "fake ring"... it's clear bias..

Then you bring up the 13' Playoffs when Lebron didn't face a 50-win team to make the Finals, so he only needed 25 ppg himself... This is why carrying the scoring load on the championship level matters (Finals), since making the Finals is conference-dependent, such as facing .500 teams and Lance Stephenson in a conference that you watered down by putting the top 3 players on 1 team..

Since Lebron can't carry the "star" category of scoring on the championship level, he needs more star help, which prevents the signing of defenders, rebounders or passers and therefore requires him to "carry" the role player categories, lol.. It's like a dog chasing his tail and then everyone patting him on the back for it... "oh look, triple-double again", but really the media is dumb journalism majors and so they don't understand how the game works, i.e. the attrition battle, or the opportunity cost (what is lost) from employing each style and strategy.

And you say that Lebron finds a way to win in any situation possible, except on the last possession of a 1-possession Finals game, since he's never scored in this scenario (0-7)... He also never won with normal rosters of 1 franchise player or carried weak help over top teams (never beat top 5 SRS team with weak scoring & efficiency from a sidekick)... And of course he never defeated max defensive attention (never carried scoring load on championship level).

But Lebron winning 3 rings in 5 isnt good ….
Reaching 10 finals isn’t good ( then you will said but he got a “stacked” team but yet you disregard it for Shaq, Kareem and Russell lol…😉

Funny you say LeBron can’t create great team and wins but then u say he got a stack team ….

And again , if your criteria is so great , why they all fail except for mj ?
How can LeBron won so much and yet be so bad ?

A better question why Shaq only won 1 ring with a younger dwade while LeBron won 2 with an older dwade ?
Ps: the irony Shaq lost vs those same pistons with the lakers and Miami lol …

Ps: Kareem got carried by magic you mean and Kareem never couldn’t win anything beside playing with the 2 best point guard ever lol ….

I wonder how rings Lebron would have win if he would of played with the best players in the league toi if he would of match with steph it’d MD , which ironically both of them had to join to beat LeBron lol …

If a player mostly loses with a team, then they didn't produce a great team... You should realize that the 2014 Heat equaled a 2nd Round team in the West because the Mavs nearly beat the Spurs and OKC did well too... Only the Heat were destroyed... In addition to the 14' Heat being a 2nd Round team in the West, 2010 Cavs were the only 60-win top seed to get upset for 2 straight years, and they were a 2nd Round loser too - so Lebron leaves teams as 2nd Round-caliber teams WITH him, and then hand-picks another preseason favorite somewhere else... Do you see that historical record, or should I provide a timeline with dates and linked sources?

And do you also see the historical record of Lebron being UNABLE to win the East with homecourt in 2009 and 2010, so he put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team??... Do you see that, or do you need me to post the linked stats showing that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were the top 3 PER's in the league... Accordingly, since Lebron couldn't win the East with normal rosters of 1 franchise player and needed the top 3 franchise players in the conference (super-team), I don't respect his Finals appearances and many people see this obvious truth...

Any fool can go to the park and put all the best guys on your team to win - you or I could do that and that's literally what scrubs do when they go to the park.. So that's all Lebron did to make the Finals, which means his 10 appearances mean nothing - the only other time he made it was 07' when 1-star teams routinely made it like Dwight, Kidd or Iverson... Plus the Spurs exposed the East was so weak that a 22 on 35% player won it.

And again - Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Duncan, Shaq, and Jokic - they're all highly-assisted players that promoted great ball movement/chemistry, and also great teams, so this is 2 of the 4 criteria, while Lebron is 0 for 4.

And you say that if Lebron could get the best teammates, but Wade/Luka/AD were the 2nd or 3rd best producers in the league when he got them, and he was the only guy to have stars at 3rd option that were franchise players (used to have their own team).. Lebron had unprecedented help with 6 straight preseason favorites and sidekicks that outplay league MVP's, so the media's trick was pretending that this unprecedented advantage didn't require another one to overcome it (KD's Warriors).. It absolutely did, and KD's mistake was waiting 6 years to respond.

I noticed he skipped this question. I actually think he's worried he will answer it wrong.

- Here historical facts :
Lebron 4 rings 4 final mvp .

2013 playoffs
Leads his team in defensive rebounds , total rebounds , steals, assist and 10 pts in scoring over his second option ….

That is what I called leading his team with maximum attention on him …..and WON !

In the final he lead BOTH team in scoring , assist and steal .

Lebron lead both team in the final but hey , he isn’t a player without full load of attention , scoring or w.e other no sense u will try to find ? lol …

- But then you said in other posts winning do not matter and can’t lead a team with a normal roaster ?

2015 without his number 2 options !
Leads in the final both teams ! In :
Scoring by 9.8 ppg ( it’s kinda 10 isn’t ?)
Assist
DRB
TRB

And yet for you : Yup not a leading main at all lol ….
Just because he lost now you saying well it matters ?
Jfc the guy was basically alone without a second option (that u keep praising as great lol) …
Please tell me what Lebron didn’t do that explain he lost ?
What was he lacking ?
Winning do not matter right ?
Or does it ?

FG u just make no sense at all and keep changing your tune non stop .