GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Again, GM's must get extra star help for Lebron because he can't carry the star category of scoring on the championship level.

This makes him worse than guys that carried the load in the Finals (and Playoffs) like 15' and 22' Curry, 03 Duncan, 94' Hakeem, 09/10 Kobe, or Jordan's 6 chips.. since these guys could carry the scoring load, they needed less star help like secondary producers (Pau, Klay, Pippen, Horry, Wiggins,) instead of elite producers and franchise players (Luka, AD, Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love).

So you can brag about putting the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team, so Lebron only needs 25 ppg against 45-win teams, but he can't carry on the championship level and therefore needs more star help that can match his scoring - it's pathetic to need equal-scoring partners on the championship level and ridiculous star help, and still have all the other flaws too like bad chemistry and no great teams.

And you want to bring up the 15' Finals where Lebron played like Iverson with worst-ever "chucking" (bad efficiency at high volume) and worst-ever defense.. This horrible caliber made him the first loser to a team of 1st timers in the Finals since 1991 when Magic lost to a team of 1st timers in the Finals (Bulls)..

And how did Lebron shoot 39% without getting double-teamed?.. Lebron lacks the jumpshooting skill to shoot well at higher volumes that require many jumpers.. MJ, Kobe, and Curry didn't have this problem, so they could carry scoring load and win with less star help.

Oh, so you're saying that if Jordan can just switch to point guard dominate with a lower assisted rate, then any ball-dominator (like Lebron) can just switch to off-ball and dominate... The problem with this kindergarten logic (in addition to the intuitive/bball 101 flaws that we'll get into) is that it's never happened... Specifically, high-scoring primary ball-handlers or high scorers with low assisted rates (ball-dominators) have never led a ball movement system that every dynasty or dominant champion had (90' Bulls, 00's Lakers, Spurs, Warriors, 23' Nuggets, 24' Celtics), which is why they never produced the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion), or even won with normal rosters of 1 franchise player.

And btw, there's a reasonable correlation of dynasties or dominant champions with high team assists (while ball-dominators are correlated with low team assists), but the true 100% correlation is that every dynasty or dominant champion had a reputed ball movement system that required a highly-assisted 1st option and never used a ball-dominator (0 for 12).. And again, we can even look at the 80's Lakers and see that their dynasty was led in scoring by Kareem, and then Worthy led for the 87' dominant title run - both Worthy and Kareem are highly-assisted players, since all frontcourt players are (except Lebron).

In addition to the historical record that ball-dominators never ran a ball movement system that every great team has (and therefore never produced a great team), there's the intuitive/logic/bball 101 aspects - i.e. anyone with a good handle like Kobe or MJ can just dribble more to be a ball-dominator, whereas many ball-dominators aren't elite 2-point or 3-point jumpshooters, so they can't be all-time producers both off-ball and on-ball like Jordan, Kobe, Curry, Jokic, and Bird.. The fact that it isn't the same to go from on-ball to off-ball as vice versa is an obvious hole in your argument, and this logic is backed up by the historical record that ball-dominators never ran a ball movement system that every great team had.

Nice to see you wrote 3 paragraphs without answering the question.

I also like how 23 Denver goes 16-4 against 42, 45, 43 & 44 win team (average 43.5 wins). Dominate.

Meanwhile 16 Cavs go 16-5 against 44, 48, 56 & 73 win team (average 55.25 wins). Not dominate.

Wilt only 2 rings and yet your number 3-4 all time ?
Of course you don’t see you make nonsense …..

Again maybe you should look who Kareem
And wilt played with …..before throwing shades at Lebron …

No, when Lebron got dwade or AD they were not second or 3rd contributors.
Not mentioning AD get hurt by anything touching him …
1 year do not equate all their career which is what kareem pretty much had , Russel and wilt with the lakers in Jerry west ….
Again false equivalence .

But again , like your first phrases says , wilt was bad only 2 ring ….still top 4 .

Wilt wasn't even the best player on one of those chips.

I know but FG going to fine another theory on why wilt get a pass …..
He is very silent as well about curry having the second best players in the league for 2 rings but hey lebron got AD and dwade you know…..it’s the same .

All those players playing the “right way” cant win more rings than lebron and yet lebron gets blame for playing with a lesser style of basketball while being successful ….go figure .

I wonder, shouldn’t someone using a weaker strategy but still be equally successful be better then someone using a more efficient strategy but couldn’t win more with it ?

It's almost like he just makes rules, and then sub-sets of rules, that sometimes apply, and sometimes don't, that make LeBron bad and everyone else good.

Pretty much .

I answered it but your reading comp is the worst I've seen

2010

Lebron....... #1 PER.... #1 BPM... #1 WS/48... #1 VORP
Wade......... #2 PER.... #2 BPM... #2 WS/48... #2 VORP

Wade.......... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
Kobe........... 21 PER... 4.1 BPM

^^^ Wade was the #2 producer in the league and considered much better than Kobe at the time, so that's like Magic teaming up with Bird and then having the goat choke and record loss - it's the worst anyone can do, so you should be embarrassed that you're arguing for a fraud and cheater.. He's a cheater for this type of collusion and also the EPO obviously - you support a dirt bag and liar.

In addition to Wade being #2 in the league when Lebron joined him, AD was #2 or 3 too and the #4 all-time PER - it's like teaming up with Duncan and then going 1 for 6... Again, that's the worst anyone can do - 100% fraud - Lebron stinks.

And again, Kareem had great help like Lebron, but at least he produced great teams... And Wilt set the record at the time with 68 wins.. So again, Lebron stinks compared to these guys and everyone in my top 10

So you guys are wrong about everything and I'm waiting for you guys to show me where I'm wrong.. Imagine teaming up with the #2 producer in the league and then mostly losing horrifically each year - that's what Lebron did with Wade, AD and now Luka.. So Lebron is a complete joke... Let's not forget 1 for 4 with Love that included record loss with 2 all-stars in 2017 - Nick Wright and many media thought the Cavs would repeat... How did this bum win only 53 games with peak Kyrie and Love, and then cry about being an underdog??.. Are you serious??... It's 100% fraud that you fell for... Again, Lebron mostly lost and produced perennial losers with every team.. He isn't top 10 all-time due to never producing great chemistry or teams, while failing to win with normal rosters or carry the scoring load (thereby needing more star help)... Carry on

Wilt set the record with 68 wins and has #1 assist team every year, so he fulfills 2 of my 4 criteria (great chemistry, teams) better than Lebron.

And even though Wilt and Lebron never carried the scoring load for the playoffs and Finals of a title run, I think Wilt was a better scorer and carried the scoring load better than Lebron..

Btw, Wilt actually did fulfill a 3rd criteria of winning with a normal because I don't think Greer was a franchise player.. So Wilt destroys Lebron

The criteria is intuitive... For example, don't you think it's important to produce great teams, and shouldn't great teams mostly win for a material stretch??.. And in order to produce great teams without needing too much talent, shouldn't the player's skillset have a proven record of great fits/chemistry and not produce low assist teams??

So it's just logic to have great chemistry and great teams be part of the top 10 criteria...

And doesn't it make sense to have the capability of carrying the "star" category of scoring, thereby needing less star help and allowing more defensive help???? And therefore win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player??

How are these not ESSENTIAL top 10 criteria where anyone in the top 10 must fulfill at least 2 of the 4 criteria?? (great chemistry, great teams, carrying scoring load, winning with normal rosters of 1 franchise player)... This stuff matters more than the opinion of a few dozen journalism majors (media awards), smh

Oh, so you're saying that if Jordan can switch to point guard and dominate with a lower assisted rate, then any ball-dominator (like Lebron) can do the reverse and dominate off-ball... The problem with this kindergarten logic (in addition to the bball 101 flaws that we'll get into later) is that it's never happened... Specifically, high-scoring primary ball-handlers or high scorers with low assisted rates (ball-dominators) have never led a ball movement system that every dynasty or dominant champion had (90's Bulls, 00's Lakers, Spurs, Warriors, 23' Nuggets, 24' Celtics), which is why they never produced the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion), and never even won with normal rosters of 1 franchise player.

And btw, there's a reasonable correlation of dynasties or dominant champions with high team assists (while ball-dominators are correlated with low team assists), but the better correlation is that every dynasty or dominant champion had a reputed ball movement system that required a highly-assisted 1st option, and never used a ball-dominator (0 for 12)..

And again, we can even look before 1997 and see that the 80's Lakers' dynasty was led in scoring by Kareem, and then Worthy led for the 87' dominant title run - both Worthy and Kareem are highly-assisted players, since all frontcourt players are (except Lebron).

Furthermore, there are bball 101 reasons why ball-dominators can't switch to ball movement systems (in addition to the historical record of it never happening).. It's bball 101 that anyone with a good handle like Kobe or MJ can just dribble more to be a ball-dominator, whereas many ball-dominators aren't elite 2-point or 3-point jumpshooters, so they can't be all-time producers both off-ball and on-ball like Jordan, Kobe, Curry, Jokic, and Bird.. The fact that it isn't the same to go from on-ball to off-ball as vice versa is an obvious hole in your argument, and this logic is backed up by the historical record that ball-dominators never ran a ball movement system that every great team had.

Despite you simply missing it, I answered it in the first sentence below in the bolded, and then answered the implications of this answer in the rest of the post (basically already answered his response):

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2025 Reaves WITH Lebron'.................... 18.2 on 44%
2025 Reaves WITHOUT Lebron............. 28.5 on 48%

2024 Reaves WITH Lebron'...,................ 15.2 on 47%
2024 Reaves WITHOUT Lebron........,.... 19.5 on 53%

Austin Reaves is clearly a borderline All-NBA player and should easily be an all-star by now - he averaged 29/9/7 without Lebron this season (18 ppg with Lebron), so it's only Lebron holding him back.. This is similar to Bosh, Love, Hughes, Jamison, Westbrook, Ingram and others cratering alongside Lebron.. The massive gap in performance for all these guys (20-40% lower ppg and apg alongside Lebron) contrasts with the Pippen's scoring barely declining alongside MJ (5-10%), while his assists increased 15%.

And we know why Lebron's teammates crater alongside him, while Jordan's teammates play near their career highs (capacity)... It's because Lebron's skillset of primary ballhandling at high scoring levels entails many unassisted buckets/solo missions that leave teammates standing in spot-up roles (increases their assisted rate), which lowers their apg and ppg.. Lower teammate assists causes low assist teams over time, and therefore deficits in team assists for every playoff loss of Lebron's career.

Since deficits in team assists occurred in literally every series loss of his playoff career, Lebron's skillset of imposing spot-up roles, low assist teams and the associated bad chemistry/teammate performance is the primary weakness of his game, in addition to turnovers, FT's, offensive rebounds, clutch efficiency (choking) and competitive mindset (colludes and allows disrespect).. Ultimately, Lebron's "ball-dominator" skillset of imposing spot-up roles prevents elite roster construction, young player development, and good chemistry/teammate performance, so he can't win with normal rosters of 1 franchise player or produce the best basketball as 1st option (dynasty or dominant champion), aka 0 for 12.

LeBron scores 28ppg, not carrying the scoring load, isn't the same as when Wilt is scoring 21ppg & 14ppg. You obviously know that.

Of course you don't think the 10 time all star, 7 time all nba selection wasn't a franchise player. If he had played next to LeBron he would have been one.

That 68 win team was West's team.

I think it may be you that you that needs to work on your reading comp. You never answered the question. Read it again. Here's your chance. Answer the question with 1 word.

Also, you reposted the exact same thing at the top of this page. I honestly believe you may be a bot employed by the Rich Paul to push the LeBron agenda.

Also. Thanks for the following info.

Duncan = AD
Wade > Kobe

FG - Is Butler a franchise player?

You don't see Matt responding do you?... So I'll take it that he's satisfied with my answer.. You simply hijacked our conversation because you were losing yours

2010

Lebron........ #1 PER...... #1 BPM..... #1 WS/48..... #1 VORP
Wade.......... #2 PER...... #2 BPM..... #2 WS/48..... #2 VORP
Bosh........... #4 PER.... #14 BPM... #15 WS/48... #20 VORP
Kobe......... #14 PER.... #15 BPM... #31 WS/48... #10 VORP

Bosh pre-Lebron....... 6x all-star... 1x All-NBA
Pau pre-Kobe............. 1x all-star... 0x All-NBA

^^^ Lebron teamed up with Kobe-Pau II but went 2 for 4 including goat choke, record loss and teammate bailout.. Then he went 1 for 6 with modern Duncan, smh... #biggestfraudever.. #hCG

Yes

But Curry already won with guys that proved not to be like Klay or Wiggins as sidekick

No, I’m saying great players adapt to other roles and systems all the time. Which is what fidstar and I have been telling you. And now you are agreeing. Thanks for falling for my trap. You lose.

Michael Jordan has never won an NBA championship without Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, and the triangle. And since it’s never happened, he cannot do it.

On the other hand LeBron has won championships with 3 different teams. Therefore he is capable of winning championships without a GOAT coach and without an elite ball movement scheme that force feeds him the ball.

I honestly didn’t think you’d fall for this second trap that quickly, but you did. Thanks for that one too. You’re an endless source of entertainment.