Is this a punt or do we just lose money & say "nh"?
Pre flop :
Facing a CO open & BTN flat I think AQo functions well as a 3b. I dont like folding here & dont play a flatting range from SB. In terms of sizing, we are 100 bb's effective. I actually like my sizing here. Dont want to size up much larger as CO can jam & we have to fold.
Flop :
Multiway I like checking here. Referencing to aforementioned post, I like playing a check range OOP multiway as it allows us to protect our range when we have hands like KK-TT, A4s, A5s, & allows us to have hands like AA, AK-ATs. Is this reasonable thinking? Obv, I dont think betting here is horrible as we have range advantage on this board & have a strong hand. If we decide to play a betting range here what hands do we bet & what hands do we check? I think it would be tricky for me trying to balance a checking/ betting range properly w/out utilizing strong hands into bet range & weaker hands into checking range. I kinda prefer to just simplify. Im open to critiques & advice as this spot is one that I am far from confident in. As played, we check & BTN bets 2/3 pot. I think we play this as a pure call. If villain is bluffing w straight/ flush draws we dont mind letting him realize equity & potentially blast off if he bricks. We get to pot control as well but idk if that is necessarily something we should be taken into consideration as pot is alrdy bloated.
Turn :
Obv we check & BTN jams. I remember specifically thinking : we lose to ATs, TT (I didnt think villain had AK given his flat pre flop & didnt think he had 22 as that hand would fold pre flop). Didnt think villain had 77 as that hand would bomb the flop. So, reduced his value hands to ATs, TT only & thought he could have all the flush draws & broadway draws that we are still ahead of. We have less than 1 SBR so I thought this was just a sigh call. I did not expect to see 22 from villain in this spot. I thought that hand would mainly fold pre flop. Is this a punt from me or just a spot where we lose our money & move on to the next hand?
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Would SQZ(3B) a bit larger to ~15bb, its fine to check range but if you do your options are XF XC XR and here I would like to Xjam (lose to 22 ATs 5 combos)
Also don't worry about 'protecting your range' 'balancing'...
At this SPR we cannot presume they only have 2p+ on this board after preflop action, although having the A♦ is kind of meh
To fold here we'd need a solid read. Vs some very predicatble passive types this might get foldable. But no read, no bleed.
having Ad makes it closer..... only 6 jq kqs comboes...... kinda hard to fold.
and jqk*cc would play it like this
i never chk/call aq tho.... otf i think just bet and hope he floats and chk/call turns
chking............... reverse implied verses kjs etc
if you chk it has to be because you think he has at tt or 22 and hero fold
Would SQZ(3B) a bit larger to ~15bb, its fine to check range but if you do your options are XF XC XR and here I would like to Xjam (lose to 22 ATs 5 combos)
Also don't worry about 'protecting your range' 'balancing'...
I need to start implementing more XR into my ranges cause I have mainly been playing XC in these spots. Doing so makes it such that we find ourselves in weird, awkward spots on later streets w a range that is under repped given we're always XC.
At this SPR we cannot presume they only have 2p+ on this board after preflop action, although having the A♦ is kind of meh
To fold here we'd need a solid read. Vs some very predicatble passive types this might get foldable. But no read, no bleed.
I just recently got back into the poker streets but thus far I am finding that the player pool is more so passive w draws/ weaker hands & w nutted/ value hands they go absolutely BANANAS. I have not put in a ton of volume so sample size might not be justifiable but is it reasonable to play certain hands exploitative knowing pop tendencies? I try to stay away from that logic & just focus on good, balanced poker but sometimes I think it would save me money
having Ad makes it closer..... only 6 jq kqs comboes...... kinda hard to fold.
and jqk*cc would play it like this
I didnt mention it in the initial post but having the Ad did play a factor in my thought process knowing villain cant have TPFD. This spot was so tricky for me in real time. I can see reasoning for both ways - call & fold. Just seems like if we're folding here then we're only calling w AA, ATs (AQ basically functions similarly to AK in this specific hand cause villain shouldnt have AK since he flatted pre). Felt like AQ was too high up in our range to fold given how hand played pre & on flop.
i never chk/call aq tho.... otf i think just bet and hope he floats and chk/call turns
chking............... reverse implied verses kjs etc
if you chk it has to be because you think he has at tt or 22 and hero fold
I like using a check/ call strategy in general but it def can lead to being in rly weird spots where you find yourself being under repped given we check on the flop. I think I would struggle trying to balance if I were to implement a bet/check ranging in 3b pots OOP - I think thats my most significant leak particularly playing out of SB.
I think it's a fold, not because we have the Ad, but because it's possible for you to have Ax dd. It makes it bad for villain to shove with KQ, KJ, QJ, 89, J9dd as there are now a bunch of combos that crush them. Unlikely you run into worse as a value shove. Villain bet big 3way, which showed strenght.
Not horrible call tho.
