another bomb pot (5-5-10/20 Aria)

interesting spot .
I dont have alot of expirience in bomb pots , but here is my opinion.
Your wrap on board 2 is not really a wrap , since you hold 2 7`s , 1 of them is on the 1st board , as well for 2 8`s on board 1 .
So basically you have 2 8`s left ( big chance that one of the eights are in hes hand) , 1 7` , and 4 2`s , 6/7 outs .

So your wrap is not amazing at all , now regarding the 1st board , pot sized bet , might be trying to win the pot here and now,if he had 78 , most players will bet smaller in order to keep you inside, also it gives hem a straight draw on board 2 if he had this combo , so this bet is more towards a naked 8 in my opinion .
Now , how you want to proceed from here , and if to call the psb on the turn , this i will leave to the pros. I think im folding.

Having two 7s is nice and being the only caller IP is nice.

I don’t mind a call here and actually prefer it with heavy interaction on both.

Turn is questionable. He’s still potting but people in these games will pot with a naked 8 not even thinking with any semblance of theory or sense.

The only scary thing is he potted into the field from OOP which isn’t a thing in theoryland in these bomb pots but scream he's not scared of squat.

I don’t mind calling the 1200 here IP. If OOP I would prolly fold. If he was a good player who is sound and understands the hands he should be potting with I prolly fold tho as an exploit. If he’s a random live rec I would never fold.

I think its better to fastplay the flop with your combo. (though what is pot size and # of players to flop?)

As played, still rip.

Pot flop to 1600. As played shove the turn after he bet 1200. Your hand is good on both boards.

What you don’t want to see is a hand like T8xx where the XX is live to a massive free roll. You don’t even have a pair on the bottom board.

IP potting just eliminates your positional advantage, is unnecessary as there is no dead money or players to squeeze out, and allows opponent to play perfectly.

I would highly advise against potting here.

A good player who’s potting into the field that is left to act would have a hand like T87x or T8xx where the XX is live to boats up top and some kind of interaction down below. AT87, T876, AT8x, 8765, A876, AKT8, etc etc

T8 is not free rolling us, in fact that’s the hand we would like to see. And we do have a pair on bottom.

It’s always important to consider a shove when we have good equity and bad visibility.

agree with all of that, played the same way.
unfortunately, didn't turn out well ;-))
guy had AA86, 6 river on the first board gives him a boat there, brick brick on second board, and i get scooped.

still the right play imo though, just unlucky i guess

In what world is T8xx not free rolling us?

Outright crushed on bottom and free rolling us on top to a higher boat. T87x is the stone cold nuts here in theory.

Even the hand he showed up with we hate to see. Free rolling us up top and has us beat below.

Jamming is certainly not the right play here, especially IP and heads up.

But alas, these are why bomb pots are so profitable and we should never sit them out. Because people just jam trash like this lol.

how is he free-rolling us?
either i dont understand what you mean or you read the hands wrong ...

Look at the result. This is the hand we will be up against often and is a great spot.

You don’t understand what a freeroll is. Going by your definition we are freerolling the bottom.

One of the reasons, I prefer raising flop, is villain's can sometimes have bet folds (though pot-folds are less likely). So folding out a hand like T6/T5 is a good result, and Hero can get it in as an equity favorite even against a hand as strong as tt9. Many A8xx are in an uncomfortable spot vs raise, but Hero may be happy to win now.

Hero may also have backdoor flush draw.

Freeroll is absolutely the wrong word to use here, especially in the context of double board. Net equity favorite or net outs advantage are better, and in bomb pots its generally not a big deal to stack-off even when opponent may have up to a 3-4 net card advantage. [Imagine a situation where t8xx has ~10 outs to win the 87 board, and 7743 has ~8 outs to win the t56 board, villain would have a net two card advantage but Hero would still be right to stack off].

Often in bomb pots we estimate our equity and card advantage by card removal effects, and in my opinion Hero can safely push equity on this flop given the action.

I disagree pretty strongly. A good player should not be potting all those hands, will have more hands in range, and will also have different sizing choices.

Ahh, now I understand what you mean, thx for clarification.
But this is definitely wrong, freeroll per definition means, that you at least chop (can’t loose the hand), but have a chance to win.

In your example the akqt hand is not even a favorite (10 outs twice to make a boat only)