Medium rundows pre flop
This might be a very basic question for most , but interested to hear your thoughts .
Had this situation lately. 25 25 bb
Utg limps , I raise with 89tj ss to 125 , 1 caller , and mp raises to 450 , gets to utg who pots to 1600 .
Effective stack 2600.
In this situation, where we are not invested in the pot much , do we want to get it in ?
Ranges are pretty clear here , utg always has aces , mp has aces or akk kind of hand .( not much 3 bets from hem , specially bot against utg open) .
If we are ds do we always want to get it in ?
What about hand like tjkq ?
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In theory DS calls and gets it in if it comes to that and SS always folds
You can keep that heuristic and be fine
If u r rolled properly and don’t mind the variance though you can just get it in with ss ones if you want
Trip suited are mandatory folds
We like middle and don’t want k hi rundowns as we want to unblock both KK and not need interaction with an ace
Does it matter how many players going to put it in ?
Do we want more or less players with us ideally ?
Obviously with aces we want as less opponents as possible. But with this kind of hands we want more players to get in the pot and might be dominated by our suits ?
We are printing if they both have aces.
There are no 4 way all ins in theory lol
Even in theory a few aces fold preflop when it’s evident it’s going to be a 3 way all in just because of the ranges in play, if you are one of the 3 players.
We always prefer heads up tho as it’s easier to play and realize all our equity if there’s a flop
Without a flop im not sure it matters as the equity generally stays the same, for example with let’s say ur hand DS
Heads up you have 45-50% on avg equity, and 3 ways you have the same usually as the other hand (generally aces) chops it’s equity with the 3rd player and drops from like 50-55% to 30-35% majority of the time.
Not sure.
The ranges are so damn tight at 100bb in theory it’s insane.
Something like the 4bettor, which is the cold 4bettor for a 4 way scenario, can only do so with 2% or less of hands and only something like .1% are not aces.
It’s so tight that if one of the 3 others have aces, they fold upwards of 30% of them!!!!
Deeper we have way more calls IP but that means we don’t ship pre so the AIP never happens 4 ways.
I think call is correct, and call>jam.
The limp-raise is actually kind of nice for Hero, as it suggests our hand is doing much better from a card removal perspective, as both villains are unlikely to show up good squeezing hands like KQJx, AJTx, AT9x type hands that dominate our range.
This hand would perform worse in more standard solver configurations at 100bb, where limp-raise isn't a thing.
I don't think hero really gains much by shoving that last 1k, as keeping it 3w to the flop is mostly +ev, as is having 1k behind with position when most flop decisions are easy. Open to the other side of the argument here, and might depend on whether MP has a raise-fold range or not.
Call is definitely the play. Just be prepared that if you flop any piece you have to go with it and lead a few boards that are better for you.
