AKo OOP in SRP, don't wanna bloat the pot

I limp in as per my style.

Being OOP to a solid player in a bloated pot at SPR 11 is an extremely meh result, imo. I'm fine with a flop check in an attempt to keep the pot small / hand underepped.

Also fine with the turn check. This guy is probably capable of putting us in craptastic spots, so again I'm cool with underrepping / inducing bluffs or overvalue and meanwhile keeping the pot manageable OOP.

And I like our FOS looking river bet.

Against ABC face up opponents who are incapable of putting us in a tough spots, obviously just bet/fold for three streets. But I'm totally fine with the line we took against opponents like V2.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'd bet the turn. If I check the turn, I check/call the river. No worse hand is calling you -- and no better hand is folding.

We look FOS after checking a drawy board for two consecutive streets, and all the draws busted. What, we're repping an 8x here? We get calls from tons of curious pairs even from the good V2 let alone the fish V1, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

88, 99, TT, and JJ beat us. You really think someone is calling w/ 77-22? I am not -- and I highly doubt you are 😉

JJ doesn't beat us and TT/99/88 are extremely unlikely given play so far.

Against someone with Bananas image and how he's played the hand, I would seriously considering calling the river with any pear if the fish folds.

GcluelessNLnoobG

All the FD draws have busted. We would have already heard from QJ with two FDs on turn.

Astute V is on the BTN and presumably would bet his semi-bluff SDs and FDs on turn. T8s probably bets flop. J8 should probably bet turn.

I prefer value sizing on river, perhaps 40-50. We are really just targeting a worse K, so it's thin. Our KK/TT is also using value sizing to target QJ, two pair or 8hxh. Do we really have polar bets/bluffs on this paired board, with Vs' ranges favoring 8x?

You are right about JJ, but that's about it (thought there was a straight w/ J). BTW, banana doesn't have an image as far as he knows, so that doesn't add up. Regardless, If you were V, what range would you put banana on after he raised a straddle from the blinds that doesn't beat 77-22? AQ/AJ?

TL;DR - Go home, Banana. You're drunk.

Grunch:

PRE - Why are we opening AKo for 8BB's from the UTG/SB in a 1/3 game? Just limp, or open to a normal size (like $15).

FLOP - when we open to $25 pre, and get a K-high flop, I think I'd just c-bet, when we're multi-way against these two V's as described. This board isn't overly likely to get stabbed if we check.

Alternatively, checking is fine if either of our opponents is LAG or prone to stabbing whenever action checks to them. But that's not our read, is it? V1 is loose-passive, who only puts money into the pot when he hits. V2 is a winning TAG, who presumably isn't going to start blasting off on a wet, K-high board, just because action checks to him.

TURN - Aaaaannnnnnddddd....this is why I want to c-bet the flop. That 9d hits our opponent's ranges, and also adds a BDFD to the FDFD. We can't bet now.

RIVER - Why are we betting now? Are we trying to rep 88 that didn't c-bet the flop, or some 8x combo that opened for 8BB's pre? If V2 is a thinking player, he can put us in the blender with a ginormous raise. If V1 raises from the middle, it's just an insta-fold.

If they both fold, they had nothing. In that scenario, there's a possibility one or the other might have stabbed at it, and we could bluff-catch with TPTK. There are so many missed flush draws that will feel compelled to bet if we check again, but will just fold when we bet.

C'mon, Banana. This hand is a hot mess.

You literally just told me in the other thread to open bigger and now you're telling me to open smaller wtf are you on doc? Its a btn straddle to 6$, 25 is not 8BBs.

Preflop size is standard with straddle. Would not go smaller. If not usually straddled, larger might not get action, but seems like loose table. Like Banana, I personally don't like making huge raises that narrow my range and might not get called.

Raising preflop is totally standard. Limping actually isn't terrible if it usually will be raised.

Could bet flop or turn, but understand why not on wet board.

River bet should get called by a lot of worse hands. Probably have to fold to a raise without a read.

My bad. I missed that the BTN straddled. In that case, your open size is fine.

The rest of the advice stands.

Result:

Lol @ reveal. Obviously you'll get a lotta flack for "letting V1 get here", but I think it's a defensible line with V2 in the mix.

GcluelessNLnoobG

How is it defensible if you think we are ahead on the river and will get called by worse?

Pre: I like the open. In very splashy games I like a limp/rr.

I would bet OTF or OTT, depending on the villains. If they are quite passive (i.e. unlikely to play aggressive with draws), I am betting the flop.

My line would be b/f two streets: bet flop 66% / check turn / bet river 66% or check flop / bet turn 50% / bet river 75%

Because our line looks FOS, there is no way either of them is putting us on TP, and they just have to call a single bet to see if their instincts are correct.

GcluelessdisguisedhandnoobG

FWIW, I'd take the bet/fold route all day against V1. However, with V2 in the mix I think we have to be very wary of taking that route.

GcluelessNLnoobG

So, the reason you don't bet is because you are wary of V2, but on the river you do bet because you aren't wary of V2 and you think they will call because you are full of it? Does not compute.

I'm fine with not betting early streets because I don't want to bloat the pot with a marginal hand OOP to V2 who could put us in the blender for stacks / not let us get to showdown for a reasonable price.

Once we get to the river and manage to keep the pot appropriate to the strength of our hand (a fairly decent result), we can now safely go for value with a disguised hand with very little risk. I mean, apart from making some massive river raise he can't even put us in the blender at this point (as I'm snap calling a reasonable raise at this time without having to put my whole stack in play like I would facing a raise on early streets).

Gitcomputesjustfine,imoG

I think it's fine keeping the pot small on a dangerous board multiway OOP. Might just check-call river, but it looks OK.