Grinding poker seems so 2010's now. Seems quaint like AOL and flip phones. Where did all your
Grinding poker seems so 2010's now. Seems quaint like AOL and flip phones.
Where did all your poker grinders go over the years?
I'd think stocks, crypto, sports betting all scooped up the poker degens over the last decade
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Great thread
It seems 2010s because the state of poker for a lot of people is frozen in 2012. After Black Friday they never learned to adapt with the game, and because of this, they got left behind and now they’re like relics of a historical time
I haven't given it a lot of thought but look @ the software of coin poker, look @ the software of wpt gold (which Doug is playing on) why would you want to play on this? 1. The players are v v good. 2. The client looks awful.
AFAIK the rake on gg is huge.
You've got bots, RTA rampant, collusion between friends/team, whatever whatever.
There is a reason grinding online poker seems less worthwhile!
It seems 2010s because the state of poker for a lot of people is frozen in 2012. After Black Friday they never learned to adapt with the game, and because of this, they got left behind and now they’re like relics of a historical time
I'm not quite sure what stumeister is saying.
If i'm interpreting his post right, I think it is highly unlikely he will ever be a winning poker player 😀
Def feels like easy money is somewhere else than poker now. Crypto scams maybe.
For me I think part of it is that back in that era, for young people with a certain set of interests, poker was a natural end point. People who played competitive games as children or teenagers would have been exposed naturally to a lot of strategy games (Warcraft 3, Starcraft etc). If you enjoy games like that, its a pretty normal transition to poker - where you can use your analytical skill and competitive mindset to play an 18+ game and potentially win money.
Nowadays that whole genre of gaming is basically dead, its not the main thing to play if you are into competitive games. Young people dont naturally have aquired skills from their interests that translate to poker. Gamers are from an early age herded into fast paced dopamine hit chasing games and no longer have a natural aptitude to play poker well.
So yea one group that would translate to potential poker players barely exists any more. As for degens, the fact that poker is less popular and visible compared to DFS or online slots, make them go there instead of poker to degen.
In 2010 I could fire up 18 tables of 180 man tournaments that would fill up in no time flat.
This is nothing like 2010.
In 2010 I could fire up 18 tables of 180 man tournaments that would fill up in no time flat.
This is nothing like 2010.
When I was a cardrunner in 2010 or 11 I always thought to myself I would happily play 200nl as a pro due to computer assistance being too important at high stakes for these games to be spread online long term.
Now we're here...
I just didn't think I would be grinding satellites 😁
I'm not quite sure what stumeister is saying.
If i'm interpreting his post right, I think it is highly unlikely he will ever be a winning poker player 😀
My comment was made in endearment not malicious intent.
Hadnt googled that name in about a decade. Looks like she's a mom of two and aged like a fine wine. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHXyYnAxB...
I tried long ago to change the avatar but it wouldn't let me. Oh Shay Maria
For me I think part of it is that back in that era, for young people with a certain set of interests, poker was a natural end point. People who played competitive games as children or teenagers would have been exposed naturally to a lot of strategy games (Warcraft 3, Starcraft etc). If you enjoy games like that, its a pretty normal transition to poker - where you can use your a
2008-2011 orc player here, you're right about that. an addition, the plethora of social media revenue sources + crypto makes grinding feel like a 9 to 5 job.
Grinding poker may seem so 2010's now but other forms of grinding NEVER goes out of style.
Besides, all I need is my 1950-2000 All Sports Almanac and I am good to go now in the year 2015. Oops, I mean 2025.
From multiple perspectives — ROI, desirability index, hourly, fun — online poker is dismal and has been since the mid 2010s.
As far as fish, they probably ran into too many Saddam Husseins lobbing grenades into their little koi pond.
Nothing like 2010s. Players know what they're doing even in small stakes. most of the recs are not that bad too. You rearly see very very bad players, and they get destroyed so fast and so bad, that they do not feel like coming back. On the other hand: the amount of rake to be payed did not get less, and bonuses / rakebacks are smaller / shadier.
The good news is: you still can win more, than the avarage eastern european salary, if you put enough effort into learning and adapting.
2010s had more players, more countries, and less regulations. We need a nuclear bomb in every single regulatory framework that developed countries implemented towards gambling to make it look like the 2010s again. Maybe a nuclear bomb in the politicians also, but I'm afraid I can't say it out loud because it's not pc.
I have loved this thread.
Every poster has offered a slightly different angle on the topic. Yet every1 seems to see a similar issue.
My point is currently: what's this new betrivers site like?
(The reason i mention is it based on the runitonce failed site software who's ethos was kind of like this thread: can we get the glory days back? Obviously not in rio's shoes. But i am to blame for that as could have deposited/supported/played on there but chose not to!)
Grinding poker is still very much here. You’d be reasonable to think the entire nation of Belarus is plugged into Pokerstars 24/7, given how many regspeed regulars have 2m+ hands logged on the site.
These guys, and the other CIS players, are making a decent living in their home country by maximising volume at 50NL or 100NL, in ways Western Europeans will never be able to.
The only real difference I see in these guys is that since most sites have capped players to 4 concurrent cash tables, you don’t see those Nanonoko types playing 28 tables at a time (at least on one site, I know of regs 4-tabling multiple sites to similar effect).
Grinding mass volume online poker is still very much a living to a lot of people, just not on the Western side of the hemisphere where the winrates have fallen below desirable wages.
I'm sending a direct message to Norwich, pokerzil and any other posters:
if any1 tries to debate what is a good $ standard of living in so and so country I will be getting the mods to lock this thread.
NVG (presently!) has some very intelligent posters (ie the people who have posted in this thread including me 😀 )
I want to see 0 stupidity in the near future ��❤️*��
I started playing in 2008. It makes me really sad to think of the amazing poker scene we had back then.
Everything about it was great.
The vibe was just… different. Poker felt like this secret club we’d all stumbled into. We’d stay up till 4am debating hand histories on here, arguing about whether to cbet the turn or check-raise the river. Training sites were just starting to pop off but there was still an aura of innocence around many players. Hell, even the poker shows on TV—High Stakes Poker, Poker After Dark—made it feel like we were part of something magical.
I know I’m romanticizing it, but damn, it was special. The money was flowing, the dreams were big, and every session felt like an adventure.
I think about it from time to time and, again, it makes me really sad.
I started playing in 2008. It makes me really sad to think of the amazing poker scene we had back then.Everything about it was great.The vibe was just… different. Poker felt like this secret club we’d all stumbled into. We’d stay up till 4am debating hand histories on here, arguing about whether to cbet the turn or check-raise the river. Training sites were ju
This. Just this. Totally feel you. Started in 2007.
