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Hero Opens 33 UTG to £4 (£300)
3 callers

I am OOP to two callers

These are three students who play there quite laggy and like to get in a lot of pots

Flop AdQh3d (£16)

Checks through

Turn Qc (£16)

BB check
hero checks
MP bets £8
Hero £32
MP calls

River Jh (£80)
Hero check or bet. If bet, sizing and plan if raised?

I was unsure how we play this river if we get raised as I dont think many players shove river without a house?

06 April 2025 at 10:10 AM
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OP, hero's last action counts as part of results. Please stop posting it in your initial post.

I would always bet flop. 3 people called an UTG open. Someone should have hit, and you want their stack.


Flop check is really bad. You don't block anything significant. The board is somewhat wet. You are the preflop raiser and it looks normal to cbet the A-high flop. You want to build the pot. If the turn is a flush or broadway card, your hand will be much weaker.


Since im not blocking anything though. I would imagine its likely other players have a Ax or FD they will bet themself and we can C/R


Flop - I don't mind checking this board if players are laggy and we believe will stab often. My default would be to check against Vs who will stab with reasonable frequency.

Turn - I probably would have bet, but can't prove that's better. V gives us the room to x/r here, that's great- I don't like the size. The reason being I don't believe V is betting with Ax here a ton after not betting Ax on the flop. The Ax just has more to fear, so I think Ax combos also check turn a lot looking to call or value bet rivers and doesn't want to get x/r on the turn. So I'm willing to fold out the occasional Ax here and really get paid when against Qx. If V is boated, we're probably paying him off, so when V has KQ, QT, Q9 etc, let's make sure we get paid. And sometimes, if we go large V will think we are FOS and pay us off with Ax.

Depending on the game, I think we can go for at least £50 here, if you've built up any kind of aggressive image, maybe even £80. So instead of going to an £80 river with £264 behind, you are going to a £116 river with £246 behind or better yet a £176 river with £216 behind. The last possibility, you can open jam and reasonably expect Qx to call you a lot and maybe a curious Ax. The middle possibility, sometimes Qx might fold, but probably worth going for it anyway. If you aren't getting called enough, start bluffing more - your bluffs are printing if V is folding Qx to a 2x pot jam.

River:
AP, we have £80 with £264 behind. 3x just feels like we might get weaker Qx to fold too often. I think we have two ok options:

1: Check, hoping V goes for value and we can x/r if V goes small, and call if V goes big.
2: Bet chunky ourselves. Maybe £120. If V jams on us, we are going to have to just play chicken and go with our gut.

We could have made our decision on the river much easier with more aggressive play earlier. Particularly OTT. We can't be afraid of getting coolered. We hit ideal for our hand, if we are against AQ or QQ we were getting stacked no matter when the money went in. Our goal from the flop should be to find the path to get all the money in and if we lose, that's just poker. We check, hoping to x/r, that failed, V gives us an opportunity to x/r OTT, let's make up for the flop and bloat the pot so that the river plays itself. I don't think Qx is ever folding to £80 OTT, maybe some Ax calls, maybe some Kx FD/SD calls sometimes too. If you think V would call larger with Qx, by all means go larger. Ask yourself - "If I was bluffing, how much would I need to bet to get a Q to fold on the turn?" Bet something smaller than that answer.


You really should bet the flop to start building a pot. River is one of the worst cards, and I probably check/call. He might call a bet w/ worse, but I'd hate to get bluffed off my hand -- not that many low-stakes players are raising as a bluff here. I doubt he's calling w/ worse, too.

FWIW, I'm not thrilled w/ opening 33 UTG unless I'm positive nobody will 3bet.


Grunch:

PRE - You may catch hell for opening 33 from UTG. I do it, but I'm LAG, and open too wide for my own good, so you'll get no criticism from me.

FLOP - On the one hand, we're OOP to two LAGs who may want to stab at this wet board, and our hand benefits from being able to check-raise. On the other hand, it's an AQ-high board - any ace-high board is typically going to be under-bluffed, and two-Broadway boards are even less likely to be bluffed.

As such, I think I'd just bet out, for full pot, to charge our opponents the max with whatever hands they have that want to call. Pray someone raises.

TURN - It's a disaster if the turn checks through when we boat up. After checking the flop, and having it check through, our opponents may think we're FOS if we now decide to bet out, which is exactly why I want to bet here, and large. I'd be potting it, or over-betting slightly.

As played, when we check and MP bets 1/2 pot, we have to raise, but here again, our sizing is too small. He's repping AX, if not QX. I'd be raising to at least 48, if not 60.

RIVER - This is the problem when we slow play big yet vulnerable hands on early streets. That J brings in some QJ combos, assuming we weren't already losing to AQ.

Yes, V can have AJ, or KT for a straight, or QX for trips, but really, it's just an awful river card that will make it hard for us to get paid by worse if we bet. The only saving grace here is that our line actually looks like AA or AQ, and V might be afraid to bet QJ, for fear of us check-raising again.

Since we could have AA/AQ, and V might be afraid to raise QJ, I think we can just bet 1/2-2/3 pot, and pray he doesn't raise, because if he does, we'll be in the blender.


by RakkiOtoko m

Since im not blocking anything though. I would imagine its likely other players have a Ax or FD they will bet themself and we can C/R

Ask these questions:

1. If I bet, are my opponents going to fold Ax or better, or any decent draws?

2. If I check, and my opponents bet, and I then check-raise, what hands can they have that will call?

3. How likely is it that our LAG opponents are getting to the flop with AQ (a hand that will definitely continue to a x/r, but would almost always be 3B pre), or a strong AX combo, or some strong suited KX combo, such as KJs or KTs (all hands that could be 3B pre)?

4. Assuming our LAG opponents NEVER get to the flop with AQ, how likely are they to start betting with just a naked AX combo, or their suited KX with a combo draw, when we check?

5. If our opponents will start stabbing with naked AX or some KX, are they calling our x/r?

A check-raise is going to generate MANY more folds than just c-betting. We don't want them folding. We want them calling. And on this AQ-high, two-tone board, they're going to need a good hand to call a c-bet, so we may as well go for max value, and bet huge.

In fact, screw betting full pot. I think I'd prefer to over-bet, like 1.5x pot. They won't know how to respond, but they'll certainly be hard-pressed to fold if they have any piece of the board. The reasoning is that when we un-block their value, they block our value. Our opponents aren't over-folding AX or draws to the nuts if we over-bet. They're going to call at least once.

There are boards that get stabbed a lot, and boards that don't. This board isn't getting stabbed anywhere near often enough to go for a check-raise, especially not in a SRP, where our opponents are unlikely to have a strong enough hand to bet, much less call a check-raise.


by docvail m

Grunch:PRE - You may catch hell for opening 33 from UTG. I do it, but I'm LAG, and open too wide for my own good, so you'll get no criticism from me. FLOP - On the one hand, we're OOP to two LAGs who may want to stab at this wet board, and our hand benefits from being able to check-raise. On the other hand, it's an AQ-high board - any ace-high board is typically going to be und

Yeah for me it will be table dependent if the table 3Bs a lot I would fold since they were not I opened this hand.

I had a few comments about my turn sizing being too small. I thought I was actually raising big making it 4x. I guess not

I also had a few comments about my river bet as it seems too thin. I didnt think it was think but again maybe im wrong. I think on river I was betting for value vs Qx but going to fold to a raise


by docvail m

Ask these questions:1. If I bet, are my opponents going to fold Ax or better, or any decent draws?2. If I check, and my opponents bet, and I then check-raise, what hands can they have that will call?3. How likely is it that our LAG opponents are getting to the flop with AQ (a hand that will definitely continue to a x/r, but would almost always be 3B pre), or a strong AX combo,

Cheers ill keep these questions in mind for next time I play

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