Bet size for the river?
1/3. MGMNH.
I’ve been throwing chips around since I sat down. Bluffing huge on rivers in position. Opening way larger than everybody else. Took down some huge pots to the chagrin of the table. One guy spite called an all in of mine earlier and I knocked him out.
Q10 o in the HJ.
2 open limpers to me including villain in EP1 (semi pro wannabe who apparently watches Triton high stakes). I raise to 18.
EP1 calls. We go two to the flop.
9d/Jc/6h rainbow
He checks. I check behind.
8c.
I hit the nuts straight. 2 to the flush on board now. He checks. I bet out 25. He insta calls.
xXx. River is a blank.
He checks again. How much do you bet?
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If we have aggro image or villain is a station we betting huge probably something like 70+ or more. If neither is true then maybe 30ish.
Also I probably bet flop, not sure why we checking behind.
V has a capped range, something like tx, 9x, 8x, 7x or even 6x.
Most ppl just folds to big bets with weak ranges. We can overbluff with big bets if villain this is true vs him.
Pot sizes would be useful on each street
Pre is marginal, but I think a fold.
Flop I could go either way.
Turn fine.
River - Im assuming pot is about 85. I'm betting 60.
I like your moxie, but QTo feels too much like a trap hand, especially against two limpers.
What are the stack depths here?
Grunch:
PRE - I'd raise bigger over two limps. Probably $20 or even $25. $30 if the table is splashy. They didn't limp just to fold to a small raise.
FLOP - I'm range betting 1/2 pot, not checking back. I'm not worried about getting check raised off our equity here.
TURN - I'm bombing it. At least pot, if not 1.25x to 1.5x pot, depending on the SPR. I want to set up a less than PSB jam on the river.
RIVER - hopefully we got here with a low enough SPR that we can jam for pot or less. If not, then I pot it and pray he's got TP or better and can call.
If our read is that V is capable of making fancy plays, I might bet 40% to 1/2 pot and pray he wants to check raise as a bluff.
You’re ripping it in on the turn here?
yeah i wanted to cosine doc's line of putting lots of chips in the middle on the turn. i think at a minimum its 75% but even then, that 75% is not the default but an audible given specific info/variables.
while ep1 limp caller has a wide range your HJ raise/iso range tangibly has nut advantage and equity advantage - when those 2 conditions met, overbetting becomes a net positive strat option.
it also lets you setup some excellent bluff opportunities in the future as lots of live reg/rec's still dont deal well with the 1.5x+ overbets and they are not thinking about WHY you do it (root analysis) but just that they may have to call a huge bet to get another card in the future. obviously the target for those scenarios arent teh passive calling stations or guys with somethin to prove (the "aint gonna fold to this mf'er again" type attitude)
I would either overlimp if I think I can get away with it or fold otherwise preflop.
Definitely cbetting with all my equity.
Next time post pot sizes and stack sizes.
I'd be going big, especially with our image, on the turn.
With the nuts, it's never a horrendous move to shove regardless of stack sizes on the river (and even moreso with our image).
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Hand is fine considering they are letting you get away w/ raising QTo. Lucky you 😉
I might over-bet the river a little. I rarely do that, but this is a good spot for it. That or just bet close to pot.
If nobody behind you is likely to 3bet and your 3bet is likely to isolate it’s fine.
Define likely as greater than 60-70% of the time say (realistically this would be spot odds related equation I guess)
Stack depth is absolutely integral though. Of EP1 is sub 100bb it’s probably not close enough to warrant both above risk as well as offer enough in terms of IOs but whatever.
Check back on flop is fine with no BD flush draw. Turn I bet bigger psb even an overbet can be fine but again - without stack depth this advice would shift if villain has less than 100bb in front of em.
On brick river given you bet small on turn I think again it’s best to go as large as you can - 1.5x pot or more.
Again stack depth is important - the lower the spr, the greater the size I’d advocate you should use
Pre: I would have folded pre especially with two limpers and few people left to act after us.
Flop: I am cbetting here, around 1/3 pot. I am going with bet bet bet against a limp caller honestly. any Q/K/8 improves our hand, we have good amount of equity even if he calls. And if the turn is A then that is also a good card for us to double barrel.
Turn: We have the nuts. I want the all the money to go in. 25 bet is too small. People rarely fold flush draws in 1/3 games. I would go pot sized bet or even more.
River: Again, I would make a pot sized bet or 1.5x pot sized bet.
I'm range-betting the flop. Either he folds, which is good, or he calls/raises to bloat the pot when you hit.
Turn: as played the small bet is meh because you have no idea where he is. Bet you wished you bet the flop now.