Second nuts multi-way river call
3/3/6
Preflop - Hero(LJ 600 effective)
UTG limps
Hero opens Ac4c to 25
5 calls -HJ, CO, BTN, straddle, UTG+1 calls
Flop(~$100) - 237 rainbow with one club
Checks through to BTN - bets 50
Straddle/UTG+1/ Hero calls
Turn - 5c
Checks through
River - Qs
Straddle bets 100
UTG+1(similar effective reraises 350
Hero?
Is this a cooler or can I fold the river sometimes? Feels like UTG+1 reraise is almost always nuts
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3/3/6Preflop - Hero(LJ 600 effective)UTG limpsHero opens Ac4c to 255 calls -HJ, CO, BTN, straddle, UTG+1 callsFlop(~$100) - 237 rainbow with one clubChecks through to BTN - bets 50Straddle/UTG+1/ Hero callsTurn - 5cChecks throughRiver - QsStraddle bets 100UTG+1(similar effective reraises 350Hero?Is this a cooler or can I fold the river sometimes? Feels like UTG+1 reraise is alm
Not sure if I am misreading the hand but if I am reading it right you have a straight and you only lose to 46?
You got A4cc on 2x3x7c 5c Qx if I read it right?
I would rejam river, you only lose to 46 which is a totally obscure hand and you will almost always be looking at a set or the same straight you have when you jam and get called. Don't think you can ever lose here. Plus its only 100bb deep, if this was a lot deeper I might start sweating about the random 46s combo or something but 100bb deep there is no way you are not going broke here in theory. You have the effective nuts.
You need to go bigger pre if you are getting that many callers. Why did you check the turn? I would have pounced. Also, did UTG+1 limp and UTG is the straddle? Are you third to act?
As played, I call. I don't see a reason to raise because they aren't calling w/ worse, but your hand is too strong to fold given the action so far. I can't imagine anyone is going to check the turn after hitting a gutshot. However, I guess you are worried about the straddle, because he "might" have that hand and checked to be deceptive? If UTG+1 has 64, he is your future mark.
And, yes, I realize you have only a little left, but I still just call. Maybe straddle will come along w/ worse.
I think the main points have been addressed but I would say specific to the is situation betting turn > checking
Your straight is disguised you have picked up equity to improve to nut flush and it’s unlikely hands you get value from will fold to a turn bet even if it’s close to pot sized.
Oof, that turn checking through when you have a straight with benefits hurts my soul.
Ok lesson learned, I butchered this by not betting turn. I just donβt see any bluffs from UTG but I guess I still beat the sets that do this so I have to call
Results: I call, straddle shoves rest of stack ~100 with 77s, UTG calls with 46
Ok lesson learned, I butchered this by not betting turn. I just don’t see any bluffs from UTG but I guess I still beat the sets that do this so I have to call
Results: I call, straddle shoves rest of stack ~100 with 77s, UTG calls with 46
oof.
easiest way to approach this is get an equity calculator and start with a real tight range for UTG of all 64 combos and flopped sets and turned set - you'll see you have 50% equity vs that range.
If you think something even tighter is more realistic given the way the action went, give them only top set on flop and turned set of 55
In that scenario you have about 33% equity.
Its most likely somewhere in between the 33 and 50%, but even if we're conservative and say 40% flat, pot odds on the 350 are 2.1:1 so you need a at most 31% equity to break even on the call and since we determined we have something between 33-40% (at least), the call is still correct.
pot odds calculation was as follows: 300 in pot on river + 100 from straddle +350 from UTG and now youre facing that 350 bet and theres 750 in there when action faces you there.
i'd say yeah cooler. even betting the turn wouldnt alter outcome.
Does anybody else want to check-raise this flop? Could be a punt so multi-way, but this hand and A5s with a bdfd are our best XR bluff hands here, and I am XRing for value often on this board. If straddle back-raise jams you have a very easy fold.
AP, it's just a cooler.
Does anybody else want to check-raise this flop? Could be a punt so multi-way, but this hand and A5s with a bdfd are our best XR bluff hands here, and I am XRing for value often on this board. If straddle back-raise jams you have a very easy fold.
AP, it's just a cooler.
I like it---I always like aggressive moves as a default---but it's 6-ways on the flop. (And only 100 bucks, when we opened to 25??) Expecting 5 opponents to drop out is ambitious. Especially if they're calling 64 in their straddle...
Does anybody else want to check-raise this flop? Could be a punt so multi-way, but this hand and A5s with a bdfd are our best XR bluff hands here, and I am XRing for value often on this board. If straddle back-raise jams you have a very easy fold.
I think flop is a weird spot, and it doesn't help that the information in the question is weird/wrong. As is often the case x/call seems the worst thing to do, but I might just x/fold because it doesn't look great (kind of hoping BTN just fired with any2 and EP players are calling overcards, so we have the best hand -- thinking even 87 to fold that got here means you should share your great drugs with everyone).
Also not sure how much I actually check overpairs here, I doubt it's 100%.
To help, a somewhat more accurate actual hand:
Blinds: 3-3-6
UTG or UTG+1 limps
Pot: $18
H in LJ with A4s raises to $25 ($600 effective)
HJ calls
CO call
BTN call
SB folds
BB folds
straddle calls
UTG or UTG+1 calls (let's go with UTG+1 from now on)
Seems like a small raise from a too wide range vs. a bunch of calling stations.
Pot: $156 - rake
Flop: 732r with one club.
straddle check
UTG+1 check
H in LJ? - checks
HJ checks
CO checks
BTN bets $50
straddle calls
UTG+1 calls
H in LJ? - calls
HJ folds
CO folds
Would much rather bet $50 (or almost anything) than check/over-over-call $50.
Pot: $356 - rake
Turn: 73c2 5c
straddle check
UTG+1 check
H in LJ? - checks
BTN bets checks
I know everyone always checks to the last action, but that doesn't seem great here. Esp. as BTN could have just fired at the flop with anything hoping for folds and small cards have to have something at this point... one of many reasons the flop x/c was bad.
Pot: $356 - rake
River: 73c25c Qs
Straddle bets $100
UTG+1 (similar effective ~$525) reraises $350
Hero?
...I understand the desire to shove given how high we are in range, but it doesn't look great for UTG+1 having worse IMO so much better to call and make sure the Straddle calls with 55 or bad played 22 or whatever: then you get more money to chop. Seems like a lot of hopium that Straddle with have QQ/77 or KcQc and play them this way.