V tables cards but miscalls

It depends. If the hand is at showdown, you can certainly read the hand. I'm guessing that there is a bet and one or more players considering a call.

According to the TDA rule 12 says that deliberately mis declaring a hand can be subject to a penalty. A friendly reminder of this rule and the penalty can be forfeiture of the pot should be enough to avoid the rule nits having a fit over OPTAH and bring the angle shooter in line.

I should have added that. It's at showdown. One player has shown and miscalled.

Option 1: the other active player is holding his cards and thinking

Option 2: other player has said, "you win" and has pushed his cards face down across the line.

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I had trouble understanding the situation in OP.

If you’re sure it’s not a flush, I would say “that’s not a flush” immediately.

If I’m not sure, I might say “can you spread those cards?” or “dealer is that a flush?” or something that will hopefully clarify the issue, and otherwise at least draw attention to it.

As floor if it’s clear someone deliberately miscalled the hand I give him a warning and warn the table that they should always verify a declared hand at showdown.

You can ignore that person, about this and probably all things.

One thing left out, DEKE. Did the dealer read the hand?

If the dealer also misread, then definitely speaking up; it's part of player responsibility in rule 2. (Ofc, this is TDA, not cash, but probably applies there as well. Also, my bold.)

[QUOTE=TDA]
2: Player Responsibilities
Players should verify registration data and seat assignments, verify they’re dealt the correct number of cards before SA occurs, protect their hands, make their intentions clear, follow the action, act in turn with proper terminology and gestures, defend their right to act, keep cards visible and chips correctly stacked, remain at the table with a live hand, table all cards properly when competing at showdown, speak up if they see a mistake, play in a timely manner, call for a clock when warranted, transfer tables promptly, follow one player to a hand, know and comply with the rules, practice proper etiquette, inform the house if they see or experience discriminatory or offensive behavior, and generally contribute to an orderly event where all players feel welcome.
[/QUOTE]

I get why you're thinking about OPTAH. While second player is thinking, it does feel as if the player out of the hand is potentially affecting the thinkers' play. Maybe an honest mistake by P1, but potentially an angle too. Agree with what others have written though.

No, the dealer, AFA I could see, never even glanced at the tabled hand. He looked to the remaining player to see what he was going to do.

Usually I see dealers seperate tabled cards so that both fully show, but not this guy.

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Point to stimulate conversation…was the hand tabled?

My understanding is tabled means ‘on felt, face up such that both cards can be read by anyone”.

Since it isn’t obv that this was properly tabled…
1. Is this why dealer did not read this hand?
2. Since not tabled should the dealer spread the cards making them readable?
3. Should the dealer treat as a discarded hand and kill? Or tell player show two to make a claim on pot?
4. In case the other player goes to “muck”, more correctly discard, should dealer protect muck?
5. If not tabled, how does dealer inform table that no hand has been tabled?
6. Should other players be attempting to read a non tabled hand? What if they, but not everyone, can see enough to know it is not a flush?
7. Should V be warned or penalized for intentionally over declaring his hand?

Like I said, I had trouble parsing exactly what happened in OP. I'm assuming the hand was tabled faceup such that only one card was completely visible, and the second card was perhaps partially visible but definitely obscured, and the V declared flush. The OP (with some degree of confidence) felt like it was not actually a flush.

If I'm dealer, and the hand is tabled, and the hand is announced by that player, but I cannot read both cards because one is only partially visible, I will do one of two things:

1- If the cards are just on the felt, not being protected by V, and within reach: Spread the cards myself, perhaps while moving them to the center of the table. The player has made an attempt to claim the pot and (seemingly) attempted to table a hand and has declared a value, I am comfortable spreading the cards myself to verify the announcement.

2- If the V is still holding his cards, I will ask him to spread them or say "it takes 2 to win the pot" or something like that.

On the other hand, the the V just silently tables his hand in a way that makes it clear he is only intending to show 1, I'll just remain silent as well. If he is supposed to show first, I'll wait a beat then instruct him he's first to act, show or muck.

Answering Fore's questions specifically:
1- I have no idea.
2- See above
3- Definitely not, see above
4- Dealer should always protect the muck. I would delay mucking the hand until things were somewhat more clarified if possible.
5- It doesn't happen often, but I've heard dealers declare "Player claims to have a flush" if the hand isn't tabled.
6- Players shouldn't verbalize anything usually, unless a question gets asked. This might be an exception, if you can see something that no one else can see (the physics of this are a little confused though). If you're sure it's not a flush, and player announces flush, say something immediately.
7- Yes, particularly if it's not "clear" that it was a real accident. A floor warning is easy and not too onerous, but it protects against someone who routinely angleshoots.

That is correct. The under card was sufficiently covered such that only the player sitting directly to left of V could see it was not a flush.

V, of course, claimed it was an honest error.

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Not only is a tabled hand at showdown fair game for all to read, it is mandatory for any other player who notices something wrong to say something.

Since only one card was clearly visible, is the hand actually tabled.

While I agree that the player who could see that it wasn't a flush can certainly point that out to protect game integrity. But I wonder would the dealer have pushed the pot to him with only one card showing.