Of Course You Know What "Woke" Means
The title for this thread was stolen from the Freddie deBoer blog/article quoted and linked below. I couldn't come up wi
nah, focus on policing behaviours that actually impact other people directly. There's nothing wrong with drag queens. There's nothing wrong with people who, when presented with 2 identity boxes, decide they better belong in the other one. We have no business forcing judgement on people unless they are directly harming other people. Calling things we don't understand "abnormal"
You can believe what you want .
Go read again my comment ->
I’m born white but I feel Chinese so from now on , I want to be view and describe as Chinese …
If u think it’s healty for the people to be anorexia because they see themselves differently , body dismorphia as well , it’s fine because what they see and want to see should be the reality despite it isn’t , well I got news for you ….
It’s dangerous .
And it’s the same thing .
I don’t need too .Anyone that answer you there and try to discuss anything with you tangible knows what I’m talking about . It’s like hitting our head on a wall .If they want to know , they just need to read the first and second page on any thread you started on and they will see it for themselves shrug .Desertcat and fellaga destroyed you many times on tha
Right. You can’t make your case against me because it’s only in your mind.
I’ve dedicated just about my entire adult life to engaging reality. I’ve transformed in order to know reality.
People like you think you can grasp reality as a default.
Right. You can’t make your case against me because it’s only in your mind.
I’ve dedicated just about my entire adult life to engaging reality. I’ve transformed in order to know reality.
People like you think you can grasp reality as a default.
I’ll oblige u only once .
I won’t fell for that pandora box again with you …
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/137/r...
Man belongs to the world and the reality of the world. At the same time, man can transcend the reality of this world.
Perfection is something you can’t truly know unless you identify with it and let it judge + transform you.
You don’t understand perfection and its relationship with humanity. This is clear.
And that is what gender is all about …..
Other example from you …
You can’t attempt to use rationality to grasp a truth which is trans rational. Rationality cannot judge perfection. Perfection judges rationality.
Another :
Truth seeking will take you beyond the known, beyond the boundary of rationality, into the chaotic unknown.A perfect being can recognize and judge another perfect being. Even though perfection is hidden from your rationality, you can recognize and judge it through your own seed of perfection.Still, it follows that your rationality is blind to the seed of your perfection. Meanin
Faith is exactly not what reality is about …
That is why you need faith .
Stretch your faith.
Christ dying is God showing us how the story goes and showing us the way.
Death is a prerequisite for renewal.
Im surprise you are not on the side of the gender choosing agenda …
And to finish to show you it’s not in my mind from another poster trying to argue with you many times :
Discuss reality, please. Is that too much to ask? Yes, of course it is. For religion we need saviors and demons and supernatural forces and supernatural souls ... you know, the ones they believed in in the 1st Century. They had things figure out.
And that is just like I said , first and second page of any threads you started with ….
Reducing reality to almost not much which is why I first said you claiming reality to be against gender choice was hilarious …
You can believe what you want .Go read again my comment -> I’m born white but I feel Chinese so from now on , I want to be view and describe as Chinese …If u think it’s healty for the people to be anorexia because they see themselves differently , body dismorphia as well , it’s fine because what they see and want to see should be the reality despite it isn’t , well I got news
Wow those are both incredibly terrible analogies. It's more like being born in North America and deciding that you would rather live in China. You might think it's a weird decision but it also makes sense for some people.
Wow those are both incredibly terrible analogies. It's more like being born in North America and deciding that you would rather live in China. You might think it's a weird decision but it also makes sense for some people.
the American who goes to China never becomes ethnically Chinese no matter what he thinks or does.
same for biological sex.
Paul Graham just published the origins of wokenesshttps://paulgraham.com/woke.html...Let's start with the easier problem. Is there a simple, principled way to deal with wokeness? I think there is: to use the customs we already have for dealing with religion. Wokeness is effectively a religion, just with God replaced by protected classes. It's not even the first religion of this
Sure you can. It just won't be well received.
Wokeness is not a religion. It doesn't seek to elevate protected classes to God status, only up to equal status. Why do you conservatives pretend to get caught up on this again and again? Saying "Black lives matter" isn't saying black people are special. It's a counter assertion to the inferred premise which appears to be operating behind state harassments and crimes against people of color. i.e. that black lives don't matter. But when you say "all lives matter" what you are really saying is it is cool by you for the state (the cops) to continue to treat people of color in the same manner (don't come back with stats about race and police brutality let's just say we are dealing with perceptions not what some pretend criminologist pretend statisticians unprofessional opinion is on the matter). This is why I can't respect conservatives, because they always hide their actual beliefs out of pure cowardice, knowing their beliefs are repellant to most people and all decent people.
You can't end wokeness any more than you can end a style of music. The cats out of the bad. Woke has been around for a long time. I was born in the early 80s. I saw all these TV shows as a kid where it was like some character acts racist, is corrected, sees the error of their ways, and then the studio audience clasps enthusiastically. A character like Archie Miller was supposed to get ratchetted more and more until they were totally woke. Mr. Drummond from Different Strokes learned that even if he is woke enough to adopt black children he still has something left to learn. One of my favorite movies from the era, Soul Man, depicts a young white man who rebels against wokeism by pretty much painting himself brown and getting a minority scholarship to Harvard. Hijinks ensue. The movie isn't all that powerful all the way through but there is an extremely illuminating scene at the end where the black dean of Harvard law school gets a meta earthquake shockwave of woke launched at him by the formerly anti-woke white kid who painted himself African American. The black dean (played by James Earl Jones) was like "well I guess now you know what it's like to be black", referencing the trials and tribulations the kid experienced being "black". But the kid was like no. He contradicted James Earl Jones and said he didn't know what it was like because he could always go back to being white if he wanted. In effect James Earl Jones said now you have empathy and the kid said, no, you don't really know what empathy is so let me educate you and he did, along with the audience of course.
This was wokism in TV and movies and commercials and it was embraced, or it seemed to be. As it turns out there are way more people out there like the members of Todd's uncle Jack's crew from Breaking Bad than we ever knew. It's still going today because we still believe, largely, in the promise that the credo of all men being created equal will guide our politics. There is no central committee of wokeness you can dismantle and dismantle wokeness. You can't dismantle aspirations for freedom, in this case the freedom to live outside of the prison of perceptions based on racism or toxic stereotypes. If you want to counter wokeness you will have to put forth your own ideas and see if they are appealing. You think the N word is ok to say in the workplace? Make your case.
Gender is a construct and approaching it with a rigid and regressive perspective denies reality.
Sex is binary
"gender" is just made up nonsense. We already have sex, sexuality, and personality. What does "gender" add or change? What makes it different or need a new category? What is it exactly?
It's made up nonsense. You're about to demonstrate that with your non answer
Sex is binary
"gender" is just made up nonsense. We already have sex, sexuality, and personality. What does "gender" add or change? What makes it different or need a new category? What is it exactly?
It's made up nonsense. You're about to demonstrate that with your non answer
I know you struggle with understanding things that you can't put into your mouth but that doesn't mean they aren't real little guy. There's plenty of information out there and I am excited for your journey!
No.
Maybe half right. Definitely made up (in the same sense that lots of cultural aspects are made up), but not nonsense.
It describes a different aspect of self-expression and societal role than any of those things.
Faith is aiming at (not yet actualized) ultimate reality. This is the faith I promote and have always promoted in my posts here.
You want to take your own definition of “faith”, assign it to me, and then claim I’m anti reality? Weak.
No.
Maybe half right. Definitely made up (in the same sense that lots of cultural aspects are made up), but not nonsense.
It describes a different aspect of self-expression and societal role than any of those things.
Are you telling me « gender » was always perceived that way ?
I’ve been around a long time on this earth and that was never the case before .
the avenue of internet where you could be a male or female in a video game with your « avatar » seem to have infected many words and the purpose of why they were created before hand.
No.
Maybe half right. Definitely made up (in the same sense that lots of cultural aspects are made up), but not nonsense.
It describes a different aspect of self-expression and societal role than any of those things.
Oh my lord
Sex
is
Binary
This isn't a choose your own adventure game. Sex is in fact binary. Is the cult feeding you paint chips?
"It describes a different aspect of self-expression and societal role than any of those things"
Could you give us an example? This should be fun
Wow those are both incredibly terrible analogies. It's more like being born in North America and deciding that you would rather live in China. You might think it's a weird decision but it also makes sense for some people.
????
What you talking about .
It isn’t at all ….
I ask to be recognize strictly on how I feel instead of how I look or what my physical , biology attributes are .
Please explain how it’s bad analogy ?
Though experiment .
You travel , meet a beautiful girl , everyone good , you kiss , etc ,
End up in a hotel and hold be hold it ends up being a man ?
Well shouldn’t be a problem for you because it’s a woman right ?
Might even try it , dicks are not important after all .
If it’s quack like duck , walk like a duck it’s a duck .
I know you struggle with understanding things that you can't put into your mouth but that doesn't mean they aren't real little guy. There's plenty of information out there and I am excited for your journey!
I literally told you that you would respond with a non answer and you still didnt feel embarrassed enough to stop typing this out
I used to think hypnosis was fake but now I'm totally convinced
Faith is aiming at (not yet actualized) ultimate reality. This is the faith I promote and have always promoted in my posts here.
You want to take your own definition of “faith”, assign it to me, and then claim I’m anti reality? Weak.
W.e man .
I just show you what you asked , then u try to love the goal post as usual -> no thx .
My job done .
I literally told you that you would respond with a non answer and you still didnt feel embarrassed enough to stop typing this out
I used to think hypnosis was fake but now I'm totally convinced
Oh I'm feeling a lot of second-hand embarrassment my friend.
Wait, that's not something I can stick up my nose, i guess it probably isn't real.
I literally told you that you would respond with a non answer and you still didnt feel embarrassed enough to stop typing this out
I used to think hypnosis was fake but now I'm totally convinced
Do some more ones for us. What else isn't real? I got a few for you:
Psychology? ****ing stupid nonsense
Sociology? What the hell is that
culture? get ****ed
religion? as if a constructed identity could be real
One of you lightweights need to explain what you mean by ‘reality’.
Until then, this discussion won’t go anywhere.
Fair enough. Hopefully you understand why reducing the conversation to "what is reality?" would suggest that.
Gender is, of course, real in the same way that any social construct is.
I’m trying to understand why you are wanting to make this differentiation by saying it’s a social construct.
The house I’m in is a social construct, right? Is it less real than the rock outside because it’s a social construct?
Is it because gender isn’t as easy to measure empirically? Is that why you are uncomfortable with calling it real?
(1) Truth is associated with reality
(2) An idea can be true. For instance, I can say, “Murder is wrong,” and you can say, “That’s true” and you’d be correct to say that.
(3) Therefore, an idea can be real
If an idea can be real, then why are you balking at saying gender is real?
Free yourself of this hesitancy.
What the debate is over -> How real is gender?
In other words, do we need / want to take this idea with us into the future?
Another way of looking at it: We are trying to aim at an improved future reality. Is gender (masculine, feminine in the traditional view) useful or detrimental in attaining this improved future reality.
The ideas we take with us into the improved future are more real than the ideas we have to leave behind.
