Can anyone help with my 200PLO game
This is my graph on ACR playing against a bunch of tight regs
This is my graph playing on another site with a bunch of recs who dont like to fold anything, to the point im insanely afraid to bluff nut flush blockers bc ive been snapped by random flushes so often
This is combined
for the first 10k hands of this sample in I know i was making a lot of mistakes which i made adjustments for, went up a big upswing, but now ive been bleeding out with 5 straight losing sessions and questioning my game.
Considering if I should throw my ranges out the window vs the rec pool and just play like a nit.
My red line also looks like a major leak... Any advice?
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I would not be overly worried about red line. Many things affect it and making a profit is way more important. What I would worry about a bit is the things that you say. You can't stop bluffing the best bluffing combos because some doofus calls too much. In fact, weaker players end up to the river with a weaker range than they are supposed to and can't stand the heat at all. HU pots against these players are very profitable.
I don't know what exactly "Considering if I should throw my ranges out the window vs the rec pool and just play like a nit." means but no. And I assume for these stakes you have a very good idea how to play pre-flop.
I would not be overly worried about red line. Many things affect it and making a profit is way more important. What I would worry about a bit is the things that you say. You can't stop bluffing the best bluffing combos because some doofus calls too much. In fact, weaker players end up to the river with a weaker range than they are supposed to and can't stand the heat at all. HU
I agree with most of what you have said. But the low red-line might also show a leak in pre flop play. I would be very interested to see his Pre flop raise frequency. If he has few to almost 0 pre flop raises as a bluff and he only 3 bets AA, he might lose a lot of EV.
Also stealing the blinds with marginal hands on the button can increase the red-line a lot. Might check button pre flop ranges too.
The redline dropping isn’t necessarily a problem, but a redline at -30bb/100 clearly is. You’re definitely not bluffing enough and not bluff-catching enough either.
The redline dropping isn’t necessarily a problem, but a redline at -30bb/100 clearly is. You’re definitely not bluffing enough and not bluff-catching enough either.
If the people you play with tend to spew and call down light, consider what it does to your blue and red lines. That's why I consider red line not very meaningful and would rather just focus on playing good poker.
In my database over 62k hands vs very weak field, probably similar to OP I have +19,23evbb/100 and -17,98/100 red line.
I would not be overly worried about red line. Many things affect it and making a profit is way more important. What I would worry about a bit is the things that you say. You can't stop bluffing the best bluffing combos because some doofus calls too much. In fact, weaker players end up to the river with a weaker range than they are supposed to and can't stand the heat at all. HU
So what I mean by "Considering if I should throw my ranges out the window vs the rec pool and just play like a nit." is that I'm thinking i need to tighten my ranges significantly in EP, because its very often I open and there's multiple cold callers. Then I feel like I'm in no mans land forced to play fit or fold. There's times I've attacked capped ranges, putting extreme pressure in spots i have range advantages, but no one cares, they just call call call. Times I've made nutted hands I've been paid off by people holding junk, its just so hard to win on here when I actually need to make a nutted hand it feels.
All pots are going 3-4 to a flop, so I'm thinking the value of raising a GTO range is extremely bad when no one is folding preflop?
Based on the stats your pre-flop seems reasonable. Consider finding more 3-bets and having more passive lines in general post-flop (what is your cbet vs 1 OOP?). Playing too aggressive in general means not being able to bluff catch and being forced to give up or bluff river a lot. To me agg factor close to 3 is too high.
Sample is not huge so not winning in a softer game might be just variance.
So what I mean by "Considering if I should throw my ranges out the window vs the rec pool and just play like a nit." is that I'm thinking i need to tighten my ranges significantly in EP, because its very often I open and there's multiple cold callers. Then I feel like I'm in no mans land forced to play fit or fold. There's times I've attacked capped ranges, putting extreme pr
I don't agree with the conclusion really. Well some hands go down in value and maybe you can start folding those. You are probably just not hitting flops very well. Btw I'd check a LOT in these multiway spots on non A-high boards as a pre-flop aggressor OOP. They will bet hands that have no business betting and your raises make a lot of profit.
Based on the stats your pre-flop seems reasonable. Consider finding more 3-bets and having more passive lines in general post-flop (what is your cbet vs 1 OOP?). Playing too aggressive in general means not being able to bluff catch and being forced to give up or bluff river a lot. To me agg factor close to 3 is too high.Sample is not huge so not winning in a softer game might b
For some reason the custom filter isn't allowing me to interact
tried disabled auto import, but it still gives the same error
However, I dont think I'm overcbetting OOP, I think my range is balanced enough there
If the people you play with tend to spew and call down light, consider what it does to your blue and red lines. That's why I consider red line not very meaningful and would rather just focus on playing good poker.
In my database over 62k hands vs very weak field, probably similar to OP I have +19,23evbb/100 and -17,98/100 red line.
Well, maybe in some rare scenarios, having a heavily bleeding redline isn't a big issue. But in general, there's a 99.9% chance that a player with a -30bb/100 redline has major leaks in his game. That said, the key is to focus on identifying and fixing those leaks — the redline will naturally improve as a result, not the other way around.
If the people you play with tend to spew and call down light, consider what it does to your blue and red lines. That's why I consider red line not very meaningful and would rather just focus on playing good poker.In my database over 62k hands vs very weak field, probably similar to OP I have +19, 23evbb/100 and -17, 98/100 red line.
Well, maybe in some rare scenarios, having a h
Ya I agree here
How can i figure out what I'm doing wrong?
Without going too deep and without understanding the pool I see a few glaring issues you can rectify immediately.
You are way too tight from LP, you severely under 3b and you call too many 3bets
Fix those 3 issues will see an almost immediate profit
Without going too deep and without understanding the pool I see a few glaring issues you can rectify immediately.
You are way too tight from LP, you severely under 3b and you call too many 3bets
Fix those 3 issues will see an almost immediate profit
I would have said he folds too much to 3bets
He should have about a 9-12% 3b range sometimes even higher and only be calling about 30-40% of 3b in every pool I’ve ever seen mass data on
Generally people are way too loose pre and should be 3b more exploitatively with a merged range
Generally people call 3b too much as well which is another reason to 3! Them, especially when IP
Also, people 3b way too tight in general so you should be over folding to them, especially when OOP
There’s other exploits but these are just the basics based on his stats.
He isn’t 3b enough to exploit the loose RFI ranges and the field calling too many 3! Out of position and He isn’t over folding enough to exploit the too tight 3! ranges that he will be facing. And he isn’t loose enough from LP. He should be opening more hands from the BTN and CO since he will be under 3b or under squeezed and playing more pots IP vs loose blind ranges.
Sure, pre-flop can be improved. Nothing to say about agg factor though? Especially assuming many pots are multiway it seems very high, especially out of the blinds.
Not too many should be multi-way at plo200. It’s not like it’s plo25 or 50. That said, his range is too tight so he can be more aggressive with his range that does open as he has less air than a normal range
So his agg factor may be ok given how condensed his range is. If he was more like 27/20/12 then there may be some concern
It’s hard to gauge too how agg he is without position stats. Majority of people bet WAY too much OOP and never protect their checking range. He may just be a lagtard in position and ok oop or vice versa. Too many variables to be sure based on just the stats shown to determine
