GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Fallguy are you okay? I'm worried.
LeBron's 20 consecutive years of averaging 25ppg will likely never be broken. He missed out this year because he "only" averaged 24.4.MJ maxed out at 11 consecutive seasons of 25+.LeBron averaged 24.4 this season with an eFG% of 57.4% as a 40 year old. MJ achieved 57.4% or more zero times in his career. He maxed out at 55%. LeBron has been less than MJ's career high only once i
To put this in perspective, last time LeBron averaged 25 points or less the iPhone and Instagram didn't exist.
To put this in perspective, last time LeBron averaged 25 points or less the iPhone and Instagram didn't exist.
He went off ball and has been excelling at it.
Just shows you all that garbage bullshit that fallguy spammed about LeBron not being able to play offball is just horse manure.
Nah he's not in his prime anymore.
I watched LeBron back in 2012-2013 and I can legitimately only remember him having 2 bad games in an entire season. NBA is not all about stats, you have to watch the games and see for yourself how well a player is doing.
Now he's having 1 bad game a week but still playing at 2nd or 3rd team all-nba level.
As a Bron #1 all time guy, Jordan has got to be remembered as the most ruthless scorer I have ever seen which I haven't seen replicated yet and only saw hints of it with 3 peat Shaq.
Regarding Luka Doncic. Out of all the years of NBA I have been watching, Luka is one of the few that when his game is on, he just dismantles entire teams by himself. You get this feeling when watching him that he has the talent and ability to do it some teams all in 1 quarter of basketball.
I saw this with Steph in his 2016 run but he can't quite replicate it constantly like Luka can. You saw this with 3 peat Shaq.
Luka has got to be top 3 all time in offensive basketball ability.
I appreciate you have that PLAYOFF HYPE but this obviously isn’t true. He has added things that really help make up for the core decline of his athleticism. His 3 point shooting and fade away jumper are now massive weapons he didn’t have in the arsenal during his 20’s. His passing endures really well and he still can impact in transition due to his straight line speed being relatively impressive. Finally his defense and rebounding can still be incredible in stretches.*
But he can’t blow past people from a standing start in the half court the way he used to. He gets visibly tired in games and *his effort is much more considered than it was. He can sometimes get stuck when help defense gets there around the rim and fail to get up a good shot, whereas he could just athlete his way out of those situations 10 years ago.
If you take some of his best stretches of the past couple of years - I’m thinking 4th quarter v Clippers last year or 4th quarter in game 2 of the 2024 playoffs v Denver - it’s about his understanding of leverage and shot making. In game one of the 2018 Finals you got a sense of him having complete control of the game, setting the pace and tone while getting whatever he wanted to get. It’s really not at all comparable.
(And yet he’s still just about one of the top 10 players in the league, insane).
If Fallguy is gone this thread is over.
Hot take don’t think anyone’s said - Peak Kawhi is the closest to MJ in style and skill since Kobe.
Hot take don’t think anyone’s said - Peak Kawhi is the closest to MJ in style and skill since Kobe.
Fwiw I heard that a lot during 2019 run of his .
So RIP FallGuy (2025/04/10) …
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How can this be explained??
LAST GAME:
^^^ Lebron clearly achieves stats by cratering teammates - this dynamic is standard for Lebron's entire career, which is why the story has been about "needing more help" for 2 decades.
MJ never had a game like this because his game/skillset didn't do that to teammates (turn them into spot-up shooter) - Jordan was an elite off-ball player, as required for the ball movement systems or high assist systems that every dynasty uses.
The issue is Lebron's excessive use of live-dribbles due to a lack of expert jumpshooting skill, fundamentals off-the-catch, touch, and natural or quick scoring instinct (not a pure scorer)... This ball-dominance at high scoring levels turns everyone into spot-up shooter, thus preventing elite roster construction, young player development, chemistry and ultimately, great teams.. This goes for all high-scoring primary ball-handlers like Luka, Lebron, Lillard, Trae - all of them... Their inferior chemistry of imposing spot-up roles can't win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, and therefore requires teaming up with 1st options and franchise players from other teams (super-teams)... Yet the weak chemistry still mostly loses and struggles... In addition to lacking the chemistry to win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, ball-dominators can't produce great teams, such as dynasties (3 in 5) or dominant title runs (4 losses or less).
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Hot take don’t think anyone’s said - Peak Kawhi is the closest to MJ in style and skill since Kobe.
Kawhi is a poor man's MJ in every facet, while his 2019 run already proved that MJ would average 50 in today's game and leverage the spacing format more than the tougher formats that he played in, which didn't cater to his position or perimeter players.
Yea Lebron forces Luka to miss shots. He plays defense on him to help the other team.
BPM doesn't just account for missed shots, and it wasn't just Luka... When Lebron scores a lot, the entire team sees every aspect of their game plummet, such as PPG, APG, SPG, BPG, aka BPM... We also saw this in the 2009 ECF when Lebron's Cavs were the 3rd biggest favorite to ever lose a playoff series.
Lebron's ball-dominance at high scoring levels and subsequent cratering of teammates is why he can't carry the scoring load vs top teams and therefore needs ridiculous scoring help.. Imagine struggling to win with Luka Doncic as a teammate.. It proves he's a fraud quite convincingly... It's the cherry on an already-great sundae of losing and underachieving good rosters and expectations.
Ultimately, it's statistical fact that every teammate sees higher assisted rate or "spot-up role" alongside Lebron, so their assists crater... This causes low assist teams over time and assist deficits in every series loss of Lebron's playoff career.. So the achilles heel of Lebron's game is inferior ball movement and team assists.. This is true for all high-scoring primary ballhandlers (ball-dominators).
LeBron's 20 consecutive years of averaging 25ppg will likely never be broken. He missed out this year because he "only" averaged 24.4.
MJ maxed out at 11 consecutive seasons of 25+.
Jordan averaged between 28 and 37 during his Bulls career, so you're taking something that is vastly inferior and saying it's better.. It isn't better to average 25-29 than 28-37.
Lebron's stats are the only negative on his team and the only negative of any all-star - he ranked around 300th in plus/minus:
But the longevity hoax aside, Lebron simply couldn't produce 3-peats, 70 wins or great teams regardless of who we put around him, aka objectively inferior to MJ (vastly).
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I keep forgetting.
Does LeBron's teammates play really well and carry him, or does LeBron make them bad?
Are MJ's teammates all terrible, or does MJ make them all play well?
There is an overwhelming amount of data at this point that playing with LeBron James improves teammates and, without the triangle offense, playing alongside Michael Jordan craters teammates' potential.I looked into how LeBron James impacts teammates' assists, and the results were interesting:When LeBron James joined the Cavaliers in 2003-04, their total team assists went from 1
^^^ The Cavs' roster completely changed from 2003 to 2004, so your "change in teammates' assists" stat isn't accurate and compares different groups of players... For this reason, your numbers are completely meaningless... Jeff McGinnis actually joined the Cavs in 04' and led the team in assists with 7.5 compared to 5.9 for rookie Lebron... In addition to adding McGinnis and Lebron, the Cavs got rid of 3 "cancers" in Ricky Davis, Dajuan Wagner and Milt Palacio... So again, your "change in teammates assists" stat measures 2 different groups of players and is therefore inaccurate in measuring how Lebron's presence impacts his teammates' APG.
In contrast to your comparison of 2 different groups of players, my numbers compare each player's prior performance to their performance with Lebron - this shows that Lebron cratered the APG of each teammate by 20-50%, or 0.5 to 3.0 APG per player... So any team can have an initial bounce to team assists by getting a different group of players, but team assists invariably crater for Lebron's teams because he lowers everyone's assists and turns them into spot-up shooter... This "spot-up role" effect causes low team assist rankings over time for all high-scoring primary ballhandlers, aka "ball-dominators" (Luka, Trae, Lebron, Harden, SGA, Westbrook, etc)... Furthermore, these low assist teams caused assist deficits for every series loss of Lebron's playoff career, so inferior ball movement is the Achilles' heel of Lebron's game and all ball-dominators.
In contrast to ball-dominators lowering everyone's assists and producing low assist teams, the elite off-ball game of Curry or MJ are big assist targets that increased teammates' assists and allowed the team to grow into a high assist team... Ultimately, since every dynasty used ball movement systems that required elite off-ball players, ball-dominators like Lebron, SGA and company aren't capable of having a dynasty, or even winning at all with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player.
To summarize, Lebron's ball-dominant skillset increases everyone's assisted rate or "spot-up role", which craters their APG and PPG by 20-50%.. This is true across the board for nearly every meaningful producer that he ever played with (15+ ppg).. Obviously, the low producers like Shumpert or KCP will always be low-producers with little room for material growth, so it's only the meaningful producers that matter, and Lebron significantly reduced their APG and PPG.. This cratering of teammates prevents great teams or winning with "normal" rosters or 1 franchise player, while also consistently underwhelming with good rosters - this includes struggling to win with Luka, AD, or multiple franchise players at 2nd and 3rd option ("big 3's").
I keep forgetting.
Does LeBron's teammates play really well and carry him, or does LeBron make them bad?
Are MJ's teammates all terrible, or does MJ make them all play well?
Kyrie carried Lebron in 2016 Playoffs, or AD in 2020 Playoffs, while his other 2 rings were due to having Big 3's that almost no one would lose with..
Other than these 4 instances, Lebron had a career of catastrophic losses or performance, such as averaging 26 on 35% with 5 TO's to lose a 7 game series in 2008 - this would be a massive choke if anyone else did it and he had more catastrophic performances and/or losses in 07', 09', 10', 11', 14', 17', 18', 21', 23', and 24' - he had catastrophic performance or loss in all of these playoffs, while also being lottery in his prime (2019).
