1-3 QQ on wet board facing aggression
Hero ($300)
Villain 1 (covers) LP- younger individual new to the table
Villain 2 (~$130) Blinds - older gentleman
Preflop:
Hero raises to $20 with QdQc EP
Both Villains call (one in LP, one in the blinds)
Flop ($60): 7s8dTs
Hero bets $45
Villain 1 raises to $110
Villain 2 (short stack) jams for slightly more (~$130)
Hero?
Should I always be folding overpairs to aggression on wet boards that are multi-way? I'm trying to think of what range of hands are re-raising here and if they might include draws that I might be ahead of... Would a pair plus flush draw ever re-raise here, or is it mainly straights, two pairs, sets, etc. that I'm going to be running into that might have some backdoor flush equity as well?
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For future threads, it helps to give some more info on our opponents, specifically any reads about how they play. Here, it may help to know which opponent is in which position, and the suits of the cards on board, as well as the suits in our hand.
We can figure it out given the action described on the flop and your comments afterwards, but no one likes working that hard.
PRE - the $20 raise seems a tad large, unless it's a splashy game. But since we got two callers, it may be fine.
FLOP - knowing the suits on board and in our hand would help with determining the best course of action. If the board is two-tone versus rainbow, that matters.
Without that info, my default would be to c-bet smaller, like 1/3 pot or less, or just check, especially if the board is two-tone, and / or if we think V on the BTN is likely to stab at the pot, because he's aggro, or has a habit of betting when action checks to him, and this is a somewhat dynamic board.
When we c-bet large and get check-raised, it's pretty gross. When we get check-raised and another opponent jams for a tad more, it's borderline disgusting. I probably fold now, and hate myself for c-betting (especially as large as we did here).
Figuring out that the young V who covers us is IP, and this is a two-tone board, I'd probably just check to him on the flop, and see if he bets. As played, when we c-bet to $45 and he makes it $110, then the older gent in the blinds jams over the top, it's a pretty trivial fold, I think. The kid isn't going to fold for another $20, so we'll see what both of them have.
If the kid does fold, we know for the future that his raise was FOS. We already know the older gent is trappy (but most of them are).
I adjusted the post again to show the suits and added rough player position. I could see the suits from my side but maybe it was a copy-paste issue. I took notes on Reads for players but couldn't tie it back to each hand as I didn't write down the exact opponent I was against. I promise to do a better job next time. Thank you for the feedback here as well @docvail.
I think this might be a big leak of mine then because I tend to default to 2/3 pot on the flop. You mentioned in another hand (AA) that I should bet smaller 1/3 pot on the flop as well to let worse hands continue and maybe better hands will raise here so I can automatically fold to aggression. That makes a lot of sense
The idea of betting small on the flop is to cap our opponents' range, so we can size up or down as appropriate on the turn. The small c-bet is going to induce raises from a lot of opponents, so we can 3B when we have them crushed and fold when we have air.
The concept of capped range makes sense if I bet small. I heard it in a YouTube video by "hungry horse poker" and the way you explained it makes a lot more sense to me now
