The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

It's actually not that much time, especially using the poker software, which is why I never did it before. Just because it takes a lot of time for you doesn't mean it isn't simple to do for me. LOL

And as far you being a troll you clearly exhibit those traits. You lie, you're manipulative, you lack empathy, and exhibit behaviors of aggression. You fit the profile perfectly

Amazing3338

Perhaps you think that evidence is simply you telling people what you have seen in your own stats? Unfortunately, that's not what others need as evidence. We need to see what you have seen, by way of screenshots of your PT display, and knowledge of what criteria you have used to produce them. I'm afraid I don't remember seeing such, either. Once we see them, we can copy the method you used so we can see and post our own stats in order to agree with yours or not. (If you're worried that you will reveal your SN or something, black it out.)

No doubt you have them to hand, so please post them.

Thank you.

I love how the argument of the current group of riggies boils down to:

I am loosing at poker.
I am great at poker.

Which means i am getting cheated.

Everybody else of course knows that the most likely explanation is that you guys are not as good as you think.

But you are too invested in being a 97% professional level poker player or what ever other nonsense you spew.

This mindset will hold you back in not just poker but in other areas as well.

Slugant, are you okay, saying something which is not true. Excuse me?

" They have no evidence, are 100% sure they are right"

This time you just lie here in the chat.

Regarding the sit-out games with postflop rigging of 0,0000000035% probability.

"I find it important that you, guys, should be able to work with all the materials I provide for your overview. Here is a link to a google drive (link below) where you can find:

1. A text version of the video in ENG/RUS (MS Excel format)
2. The statistics in MS Excel format, very comfortable to work with, to watch hands, to check anything you would like to
3. A detailed description of the software algorithm (Ipoker net, Red Star Poker room)
4. A copy of the main youtube video
5. Some other materials/documents which are necessary to be presented in this kind of situations
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1..."

Regarding the software provoking by dealing combinations on the flop according to previously folded hand of a player

"https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HPf2urc3J_0GrXz0l0Kzv-1aOnADjtIw/view?usp=sharing

20 minutes video. Where you can make sure the data is correct."

I always provide the evidence.

If I don't - i say "I can't confirm this with an actual data"

Johnmir, you havent provided evidence. You clearly dont know what that word means. You provide self-made excel sheets and random screenshots where nothing really happens.

For both you & amazing.. If you really think you have evidence and are fighting the good fight against rigged poker rooms, SUE THEM!

You both are convinced of yourself, gather your evidence and take those bastards to court and make them stop rigging. You already spend so much time on this issue, its time to take it serious and just email Playtech lololol

If you do not have intentions to present your evidence in a court of law maybe you do actually realize that your so-called evidence is flimsy at best and you are just ranting trolls. Mad at the poker world because you are not the success you feel you should be.

You are right here.

Man, I have already sent it to The Gambling control board of Curacao and to The UK Gambling Commission. I have also sent it to the Federal Taxation Service of Russia and to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.

And you know it.

But to come to a court I need to leave Russia (I can't do it at the moment). It's a complicated task to perform in a real life. You should understand it. It's NOT easy, objectively.

You lie here -
"You provide self-made excel sheets and random screenshots where nothing really happens."

What is my last hand in the 40 minutes video of recording every hand played in the room included in the analysis?

A2o? 55? Tell me the last hand of my statistical data, if you say I didn't provide the evidence. it's not a screen shot, I provided live (!) video with myself opening the rooms client program, and opening EVERY hand played.

Guys, he just lie. Don't believe him.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16d2YB55...

Already a mistake in the first sentence here. You have never been a professional level player. Not even close.
If you are lying about this, what else are you lying about? How can we trust the excel input you create, those number could be a lie as well??

So you are lying. You Liar. Can we give a penalty to this liar?

Man... I thought you saw that.

The response of the UKGC
https://twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58920...

wow and what a response
It says nothing about the rigging of the deck, only about the license in the UK.

How on earth do you think this mail is helping your case?

and care to respond to this? Why do you keep lying that your a professional level player?
Did you lie agains the UKGC about being a professional level player?
Is that why you wont take this to court? Because you have to testify under oath and then lying about being a professional level player isnt so harmless anymore lolol

No: not in this thread. Elsewhere: perhaps/probably.

All of us can argue our cases against others' points and posts to our hearts' content, to a reasonably directly contradictory and confrontational degree. This thread takes such common arguments out of threads in other places, and only those interested in the ongoing debate, whether purely for fun or whether looking for someone at some time to provide the first serious evidence of rigging, will read the thread.

Rudeness and insults from one to the other is more an indicator of the type of person that is stooping to them. Obviously, as with anywhere, ideally language should be kept fairly neutral with the content giving reasonable arguments against whatever is being stated by one with which the other disagrees.

Aha, I see, Mike, thank you. I'm "okay" with this kind of behavior. But, still, had to ask you about the situation 😀

Lol, man, so what? Did I say it helped? I have no idea. Colleagues from The UK are investigating the case. Or do you mean they lie?

I didn't even say it helped me somehow. You asked me to show you. It's The United Kingdom. I'm from Russia.

Here in Russia they have already blocked several "mirror"-sites of Red Star Poker due to my message. But it's here, in Russia. I can't be active there in GB.

(It's Russian, guys, they say, they block some addresses and ask to send them more site-names if I got this information)

When my opinion about my own gaming level became a lie? Do you know the meaning of the verb "to lie"?

Lies. In Russia it is forbidden to organize gambling if there is no license. That is why all poker (and not only) sites are blocked. This letter and the Federal Tax Service says literally: “Thank you for informing us. In accordance with the law №... “we have blocked the addresses of the sites.

It has nothing to do with IPoker's dishonesty and nothing to do with your alleged evidence either.

Exactly that ^

UKGC arent investigating the honesty of iPoker, like you claim

But that does leave the question, if you play from Russia why do you contact the UKGC?
And where can i read the proof that they banned mirror sites due to your message? Your message has nothing to with the stance of Russia against online gambling. They arent investigating "the case" of rigged poker, they are investigating the legality of online poker. You truly have delusions and would benefit from some councelling and most likely medication.

Its just like your "opinion" that you are/were a professional level player. You can keep on claiming that, but it is so obviously untrue. You play micros and struggle there. Are all your opponents there professional level players? Do you know what professional even means?

But the fact that you move your narrative away from your original claims says it all. You dont have anything, and you never will.

gambling and lotteries are prohibited in Russia if the company does not have a license. Russia has restricted access to the site and mirrors, but this has nothing to do with IPoker's dishonesty

I type.
"Here in Russia they have already blocked several "mirror"-sites of Red Star Poker due to my message. But it's here, in Russia. I can't be active there in GB."

"утвержденным приказом ФНС России
от 13.03.2023 № ЕД-7-2/162@, в отношении указанных сайтов приняты решения
от 14.03.2025 № 2025-03-14-5206-АИ и № 2025-03-14-5219-АИ, являющиеся
основанием для их включения в единый реестр."

My message was sent to the Federal Taxation Service on the 20th of February 2025.

They decided to block several addresses on the 13/03/2025 - 14/03/2025. AFTER my message.

I do not say, they did that because the room is rigging games. I said - due to my message.

Before accusing me, try to learn English better, may be read more attentively.

I mean, yeah, you can accuse and insult people over internet. Why not, you are "responsible" for your words.

Ignoring you, starting from this moment. In my opinion, you are a spoiled person, I have no interest communicating with you.

"You truly have delusions and would benefit from some councelling and most likely medication".

No more wasting of my attention to you. Reason - repeated insulting with no reason.

I was refereeing to my All in Adjusted Differential screen shots. With respect to AK, AQ and AJ I said I could provide them.

Pokertracker expired so I had to download Manager and I added 2 weeks of hands which I previously downloaded when Pokertracker was about to expire.

Here is what I'm willing to provide.

The unmarked hands sorted so you can see all the AK, AQ and AJ hands have been tagged. I also separated all the freeroll hands because (except for the first few screenshot examples, I segregated them after). There are only 23 relevant hands anyways.

All the hands that nobody saw the flop. I have included one for now.

The first group of AJ hands that missed the flop for now.

As far as providing my database of hands, it ain't going to happen, because it would be too easy to see every one on my hands on Pokercraft. In addition many here have made claims for years, maybe decades, and never provided any evidence, even when challenged to, which ultimately turned out to be BS. So it's not MY credibility that is in question here.

But if someone wants to say not good enough, or the amount of hands or 2+ standard deviations isn't enough, well then the screenshots end here. When anyone provides something equivalent then they can talk.

Sorry Slugant but you are a joke haha. 15 years defending sites that have already been caught cheating is brutal.

Then you say im a losing player after i just told you im up 20 k.... You are an obvious troll working hard to defend online pokers integrity haha.

Then you say i spend too much time on this subject when ive had an account for like a week and you been on the internet shilling for 15 years?????

LOL you cant make this up!

Guys, I share an actual information with you.

After predicting the following behavior of iPoker's software (the developer of the software is Playtech PLC) - the software provokes a player who folds strong hands on a preflop by dealing a flop according to his starting hand.

The video-evidence -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HPf2urc...

I tested the software once again. And you can see, how it works in a real game (Bounty Texas Hold'em poker tournament) :

The tournament started from the winning of two all-ins 82% and 76% -

Right after these all-ins I started to fold "Ax" type of hands. And folded 4 times in a row (according to previously described algorithm of the software)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...

And several hands later I "got shown" the following sequence of flops I refused to participate in -

Thirteen hands.

4 top pairs
5 low and second pairs
Three of a kind

The chance of such event (flop hitting of my starting hand) are - 0,014% (approximately).

The chance to meet this event (the sequence of flops) on the distance of 83 hands played with no participating in the flop - 0,6%.

In average, this kind of steak happens once in 15 300 hands played. I played - 83 hands with no participating in the flop.

Means, the software keeps generating this streaks every tournament with no exclusions. 5 tournaments in a row we predicted (!) something that happens once in 200 tries.

I want to take some of your attention.

In the morning, I sent all the information regarding iPoker group of online-casinos to The UK Gambling Commission and to The Curacao Gaming Control Board. I have also sent a petition to The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.

At the moment, iPoker net is not considered as a fraudulent organization officially.

But here on the forum, unofficially, it is not reasonable to consider the net (online-poker casinos group) as a fair business any more.

According to the provided software tests -

I. The final report regarding provoking of a player to participate in a flop stage of Texas Hold'em poker game:

The video evidence -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HPf2urc...

II. The final report regarding rigging the flop stage of Texas Hold'em poker game with all the cards opened.

The video evidence -

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16d2YB55...

And, also, according to the information which could be checked with no basic analytical skills involved -

1. During the games against sit-out player with all his hands opened my opponent (the first and only test)

hit the flop 75 times of 171 flops with nonpaired starting hand while I had a stack of 80% of all the chips in play (non-all-in situations)

The chances for the deviation are - 0,11% (once in thousand tests)

2. During the test - provoking of the software of a conservative preflop player by dealing combinations on the flop according to his starting hand (the first and only test)

we got the sequence of flops dealt -

21 flop hit of 41 flops without taking into account

- 3 two pair flopped
- full house flopped
- flush flopped
- 8 top pair flopped

The chances for the deviation are - 0,96% (once in hundred tests)

And, once again, these two tests can be checked without any analytical skills.

Means we got at least 0,001% case of the games organized by iPoker net are random.

According to my analytical research this probability is 0,00000031% * 0,00041% = 0, 000 000 000 001%. But it takes you to have a high level of data analysis skills.

I start to prepare the message for the forum members regarding the fraud of iPoker, Playtech PLC.

You can refuse commenting this information, It's your right.

But commenting this without providing mistakes in the research - is just ignoring provided information and facts.

Any other comments regarding my information I feel free to ignore.

John, the voices in your head are getting stronger... stop them before they take total control!!!

wowow 20k up in poker, im close to 7 numbers but that because poker is rigged i guess🙂
You claim to be here only a week (while its obviously a new account because you are a hero) but in that week time you seem to have rea the last 15 year history of 2+2. Must have been a fun week hahaha. Also you havent read it well, because im often vocal against many sites but of their actions and policy and not because of rigging. But im not a disgruntled loser like you 😉

To be fair, I didn't manage to compare, Amazing.

You said you hit 21% of top-pairs on AJ in stead of 28%? Something like that?

But I didn't manage to check this with a help of screens... 248 AJo got dealt. But where is the number - how many did you hit top pair on the flop?

I did some statistical analysis myself, on one specific player on 2 different sites to see how it differs.
The player in question is called Johnmir.

These are the stats of a self proclaimed player of professional level.

iPoker

And stars

This the the guy that knows everything about poker and can predict every outcome yes loses -23bb/100 over 9k hands. On a limit of 10NL (hahahaha, imagine losing big at 10nl and calling yourself a professional level player)
And by the way, 9k hands is more of a sample that any riggie-fan has ever provided here.

Do you understand what that means John, you are losing -23bb/100 over 9k hands. You are a huge fish. You have no clue about poker and dont know what you are doing. You have the same affliction as Paisting who loses constantly at microstakes but is certain of his own ability. Yet everyone else is certain of his mental illness.

Based on this huge sample (because normally you show about 6 hands) how do you think you qualify to say anything about poker, let alone call yourself an expert?? Yeah you run under ev but ev winrate is still -9... at micros!!!

Is that why you are so mad at online poker? Because you cant even beat the micros?
Do one thing right in poker for the first time in your life and take yourself out the game.

Good job, you just proved iPoker is a fair online-casino group. You are an Ace.

Are you able to read -

"But commenting this without providing mistakes in the research - is just ignoring provided information and facts."

And don't forget to check my results BEFORE I started to test the software on micros.

No I didn't. I said

Couple of additional stats to add that are suspicious. I drew KK 175 times and saw the flop 143 times. 42 times, one or more aces hit the flop. That's 29.37% when the probability that an ace will hit the flop before any cards are dealt is 21.73%. Again (similar to AK, AQ and AJ missing the flop) 2.21 standard deviations from the mean.

You are mixing up two different statements, AK, AQ, AJ hitting the flop and ace hitting the flop when I have pocket KK . In both cases I am saying I am over 2 standard deviations from the mean.

Fixed a few errors. Overcounted 3 undercounted 1

Here are the pocket kings. 29.37%