Showing hands to other players

That sums it up nicely.

If it is important to you, keep asking for SOSA.

This is one of those things that just happens in a social cardroom. You're not really missing out on much info, he had a draw of some sort and missed. Knowing his exact hand is not real likely to change how you play going forward. No one really cares what he had, but it's part of the social contract that one's neighbors commisserate with one against the other side of the table when draws miss. It's just one of those things.

If you want to get your panties in a bunch about it, you can ask for SOSA every time it happens (and it will likely happen less going forward), but you are essentially signing up as table captain by doing this, and will also paint a target on your back (with at least some players, and possibly dealer or floors). This might cause other players to play poorly against you, but it might also make close rulings go against you too.

Much better, if you're stacking the chips, just let it go and keep on stacking. Save your complaints for the times it actually matters, like when they react to scare cards showing up on turn and river that substantially change how the action moves.

This.

People assume that he had part of the flop, but that is a bad assumption. The player could have had a notable hand and completely missed the flop. He could have had 10 2 in honor of Doyle. He could have e had, J 4 after talking about Robbi. He could have a gutterball. Whatever.

As long as the other player is no longer in the hand it doesn't really matter.

This goes to people missing the forest through the trees. They are wanting to play a game of who knows the details of the arcane rules listed in ancient tomes, driving off social players.

A good room will remind them that they should not do this, followed by a penalty, and a timeban if they don't stop.

In general I wouldn't be too worried about that too much, especially in PLO. People are dumb anyway and the amount of information that they get will generally serve them zero edge, because they don't have the skills to somehow materialize such info.

Good luck on getting most rooms to enforce this fully with PLO. Dealers don't want to do it because they'll get shouted down and lose out on tips, floors will hear that nobody still in the hand saw anything and nobody but the one person complaining seems to care, and other players want to keep the social, splashy atmosphere.

The one that took me a while to get used to was the guys who look to the person to their left, say "Are you folding?" then show their cards to them. It's wrong in several ways, but I've never actually seen anyone use it as an angle.

It'll be more profitable to be liked and keeping a positive table vibe than to see some dimwits mediocre hand post-play, IMO.

What? I've never seen anyone do that, but that would be worse than anything I've ever seen done at the table. Do you mean it's not an angle because instead it's deliberate outright cheating?

Maybe it's a regional thing, or maybe you just didn't notice because you were focused on your hand. By not an angle, I mean both players did fold immediately afterwards without appearing to put any thought into it. I've seen it a lot.

I have definitely seen it too. Usually it's two buddies or whatever, not just a random show. But yeah, they ask "are you folding?" If the answer is no, the first guy just folds. If the answer is yes, he shows the second guy, then they both fold.

Oh, maybe I have seen that before.

I was thinking Player 2 wanted to know if Player 3 was calling or not before he made his decision, and was helping Player 3 make his decision by showing his own cards.

Reducto did not say that Player 2 waited until after Player 3 said "yes" before showing his hand, or that he only showed if the answer was "yes".
He also didn't say that Player 2 only did this when he knew he was folding.

If all of that is true then clearly that's a pretty minor violation, especially compared to the way he described it.

So I used this cavalierness with hands today to my advantage, and I shouldn't have been allowed to. It's a rather loose table. The player to the left of me makes a small bet in the flop. The entire table calls. I pot $600 on the button with nut flush draw and idiot wrap. The original aggressor folds. A calling station calls. Another player calls all in for much less than my bet.

The original aggressor turns to the player next to him and says "I folded two pair." The calling station doesn't hear him. The board pairs on the turn, and OAG makes a "shucks" reaction like he hit the boat. He turns to the player next to him and says something softly, but he sounded like he said he hit the boat. Again calling station does not see or hear this.

There is a side pot of $800. I bet $400 because I assume calling station did not hit a boat based on the information I gathered from OAG. Calling station folds because he assumes I have a boat. I take the side pot. I lose the main pot. Calling station says he would have won the side pot with a higher straight had he called.

The dealers just allow players to verbally express what they fold. They don't take any real control of the table. I used it to my advantage, but I shouldn't have been able to.